EU attacks legal gun owners!

On the morning of 7th January 2015 Terrorists attacked Charlie Hebdo, with fully automatic, unregistered and illegal firearms.

Since then the EU has been preparing new legislation to ban semi-automatic firearms in the hands of law abiding EU citizens. Despite the fact that these weapons were not used by terrorists and are not even typically used by criminals.

They use unregistred, untraceble black market full auto Kalashnikovs.

The new legislation has been on the back burner since April 2015, only to surface now on 18th of November, barely 5 days after a second attack in Paris.

The victims of this tragedy have not been buried yet, the criminals are still on the loose and the police has not even finished the investigation and yet the EU is announcing measures to prevent something like that from happening again.

Unfortunately nothing in the draft would have prevented these 2 attacks since neither were done with weapons that are now legal and would be banned with this new law. Nothing.

What you are proposing is like telling your own child it is grounded,
because the neighbours child has been arrested for raping and killing a girl called Paris, twice.

It is not logical and above all it is extremely unfair.
It is unfair to the victims, it is unfair to the law abiding citizens.


Say NO to the draft proposal announced on 18 November 2015
Do not restrict semi-automatic firearms 'because they look like an automatic firearm'


We the Citizens demand that the EU brings focus on the real problems:
- That the external borders of the EU are not protected.
- Our population has groups in it that refuse to allign with our democratic core values and our culture.
- Illegal arms trade is rampant within the EU.
- Criminals and terrorists have easier access to illegal weapons then legal gun owners have access to legal arms.

That is the current situation and this new legislation does NOTHING to adress those problems.
The 18 November IP-15-6110 draft to amend 91/477/EEC is not only populistic in nature, it is also an insult to our civil liberties and to the intelligence of the EU citizens as a whole.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm

https://www.change.org/p/council-of-...-gun-ownership

Please, let's not start posting political posts. We know things are bad.

Posted in another thread:

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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger

Hey fellas, we all are aware of the tragic incident that occurred in Paris. We all have our thoughts and beliefs as to what is going on and why. Because this is a military surplus discussion forum many are tempted to open threads dedicated to such tragic events because they are somewhat related. I am no different than many of you in my belief system and I too have my ideas and thoughts on all the horrible things that have gone on and that are going on in this world. But because this is a site dedicated to milsups and related items for discussion we must keep those beliefs and opinions on what and why these tragedies are taking place and how best to fix the issues off the site. Here on this site we have a wide and diverse membership and with the diversity comes many political views and beliefs. To keep from stepping on the many toes of belief I would ask all to please keep any and all political overtones off the forums as well as personal attacks may they be obvious or backhanded.

We here have the best and knowledgeable folks the world wide web has to offer. Lets stick to topics that utilize that knowledge base and unite the membership by not engaging in conversation that may divide this great internet family we have here. :thup:

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With the awful events in Paris and the political reactions surrounding it, I'm sure we're going to see a lot more members wanting to vent and post their reactions and oprions here.

So, let me resurrect an old post I made the last time emotions ran high ... ;)

When I was doing my officer training back on the 60's, we were told there were three things that shouldn't be discussed while drinking in the officer's mess. They were women, religion and politics .. :lol:

The reason was simple. Those discussions always lead to bitter disagreements and acrimony, even amongst friends. To validate this, all you have to do is see the vitriol spewed at and about people on Internet forums, that have a political or religious aspect to them. We even saw it here for a period of time. ;)

We're supposed to be sharing our forums to interact with a lot of like minded folks, who share a common love of old milsurps and the terrific collecting hobby surrounding them.

We really don't want to see a lot of good "electronic" friends who may differ in political or religious views, destroy an otherwise enjoyable experience talking about old guns, by deliberately creating a posting environment which by its nature promotes divisiveness.

There's a huge number of political discourse sites (and forums) on the Internet already (some on gun sites), catering to both left and right wing viewpoints. If anyone really needs a "fix" of watching perfectly sane and normal people deteriorate into name calling and verbal assaults simply over their political views, we'd recommend they join one of those sites and have at it. ;)

Our site isn't the place for this kind of behaviour, or the content that causes it, plus we have no desire to have to admonish mature adults, who when discussing any gun related material wouldn't even need it.

Our registration Terms of Service agreement is quite clear ....

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Registration to Military Surplus Collectors Forums is free! This site is designed to encourage the open exchange of information amongst the general military surplus collector community, thereby helping all of our members to better enjoy their chosen hobby. It's not a venue for discussing the politics of firearms ownership or the practices and policies of various governments trying to control them. We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please check the 'I agree' checkbox and press the 'Register' button below. If you would like to cancel the registration, click here to return to the forums index.

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For those that may have not read our Terms of Service, or simply have forgotten, I hope that helps clarify our position. :cheers:

Regards,
Doug