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I bought a Leather Sling from some guy, but I didn't know the seller was gong to add his original one to that Bavarian Rockola that I bought form him and it finally arrived yesterday. Is there a way to trace the markings on it. I could not take it apart or even shoot it today. I woke up with one heck of a Pinch Nerve in Neck and its effecting my neck and entire back. What luck ! It looks amazing a whole better than Pictures that's for sure. Thank You.
Frank
Made by "Stolla" in Vienna, dated 1962.
Stolla was a large and long lasting maker, not sure about when but there are many different types of Austrian and German slings with their markings, most seem to be post-WW2 dated. High quality work.
'1 ABT' is '1st Abteilung', or '1st Battalion'. I think '5C' is '5th Regiment'. Then you have perhaps '62nd Company or Squad'. Typical police markings of the time. The only thing I'm sure of there is '1 ABT'.
Thanks Inland44, I knew it had to stand for something. I just started a data Sheet to get some history...BTW you won't believe the mistake I made on the S/N. I was thinking of another, but it does change the parts for that Range. Thanks for your help I'm glad I'm getting something from somebody. Thanks gew8805 and Inland 44. I appreciate it.
Semper Fi
Frank
Sorry INLAND44, the stamp "1ABT5C62" is correctly translated as "62nd weapon of the 5th Company, 1st Abteilung".
So, how do we know the date is 1962? :help: - Bob
Sorry about what? I call that a win especially since I don't know any German. But thanks for the translation anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by gew8805
It's not dated, the "62" in the unit marking was mistaken as a date rather than the waffen number.Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
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Glad to help. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by INLAND44
During the course of researching the use of the M1 Carbines by the Austrians I had the opportunity to go through a number of large boxes containing various slings removed from carbines with Austrian Gendarmerie markings. Most of which were leather. I divided them into 5 primary groups shown below. Looked at many more but these 5 groups were consistent.
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Far left, they were a mixed batch of slings from other weapons modified for use with the carbines. 2nd left were consistent stitching, buckles, leather patterns as those marked Stolla but had no Stolla or 1ABT markings. 3rd from left I think had Stolla markings but no 1ABT.
4th from left were stamped ...
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Far right were stamped ...
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Only two were found with these markings...
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I was told by several retired members of the Austrian Gendarmerie the 1ABT was 1st Abteilung, the 5C was 5th Company. They related this was a civilian department within the Austrian Gendarmerie that handled procurement acceptance. That the 1GBA was the predecessor who handled procurement before the 1ABT5C. Also, the last two numbers were the year this department accepted the slings from the contractor, Stolla & Son of Vienna (Stolla Wien). Several other Austrian sources repeated this information.
Abteilung has various meanings depending on the context in which it is used. It can be a military unit or a civilian unit within the military. An Abteilung can be a division, battalion, or other size (larger, smaller, civilian, etc). Easy to get things confused that are confusing.
I had to rely on the Austrians for this info as it was all foreign to me, and the Austrian terminology is sometimes different from the same words/phrases in German.
For clarification, I've seen hundreds of these slings and own several dozen of them. The majority were marked 1GBA56 or 1ABT5C62. Or had no markings. The Stolla logo was sometimes stamped as an impression in the leather, sometimes stamped with ink. Some slings included handwritten info on a particular land within the gendarmerie, a few had an ink stamp indicating same. Some had names handwritten on them.
Maybe the 56 or 62 would mean something different in Germany. I dunno. Only know what was shared by several independent sources and how many slings I saw with 56 and 62. And only two with 59.
Jim
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P.S. I had my slings before knowing these even existed.
An EXCELLENT post Jim, I am envious of your collection. Thank you for clearing up the information concerning the last two digits, while similar, the Austrian marks are different from those used by Germany and my apologies for causing confusion. Well done! :)