Hi all,
Just joined after reading the posts on these rifles, it seems the thread on the numbers list is no longer open but is a up to date list available ?
To add I have the Pecar scope 533 from the Sheffield police rifle.
Regards. Chris.
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Hi all,
Just joined after reading the posts on these rifles, it seems the thread on the numbers list is no longer open but is a up to date list available ?
To add I have the Pecar scope 533 from the Sheffield police rifle.
Regards. Chris.
Chris, Welcome to Milsurps, one thing I would point out, Police are not Snipers they are Marksmen.......
Not sure what you mean by "no longer open".. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshirechris
If you're referring to this "sticky" thread, it is open for reading and posting.. :thup:
Service for L42A1, Enforcer, Envoy and L39A1 Owners
Regards,
Doug
ps: please don't post the same question in multiple forums, as it wastes time and gets very confusing for people trying to help you.. thanks.. :cheers:
Hi, thanks for the "head up" just a newbe trying to work it out !,Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
Regards. Chris.
I agree with Big Duke, thread 2. I would categorise the Police as good shots as opposed to marksmen.
I'd probably question the "good shot" bit too:)
Does anyone know if the U.K. Police ever used the L.E. No4 mk2 service rifle in standard form, i.e. with no scope fitted and no provision for fitting one, at any time in history, please?
Flying10uk,
With the title of a "bloody good shot" when I left the Army, and joined the civvy Police and had to reduce my title to what is commonly known as only a "good shot":bow:, I can confirm they certainly did hold No4's well before my time of joining. The Enforcer was the only scoped rifle in use under Home Office Guidelines.
Right the way through and after WW2, the No4 rifle was the weapon of choice in the UK by many Forces for the longer reach operations, there was very little else with its proven track record for reliability and accuracy, and ammunition at .303 was plentiful. To the best of my knowledge no scopes were fitted in the photographs I have seen in various Police Firearms units of the time, and if they did it was a local thing.
Bear in mind many, what we term as "Police Firearms Units" today were not formed until the very late 60's and early seventies due primarily to answer the NI troubles on mainland UK, and the sieges that followed. It was this era that pushed the moves to equip Forces with a replacement rifle...........enter the Enforcer.......a Police Marksmans rifle who was already a good established shot from previous Army service in the main, we did have the odd Royal Marine :surrender:
They certainly used No4's F10, I would imagine both mk1 and mk2's
The RUC used them and they were avalable for use by mainland police forces too, I don't know how many used them though?
Back in the 1970's a local farmer to me had to call out a Police Marksmen with a No4 to "despatch" a totally crazy breeding bull that went on the rampage... Big game hunting in the Cotswolds!
To be absolutely honest, many of our jobs were crazed bulls that had escaped from abatoirs and run amock in towns. We soon learnt that Hatton rounds delivered by shotguns were the only way to stop them dead, right between the eyes..........however, you had to be very brave
7.62 simply didnt stop them and bounced off with no effect:yikes: