Seeking some help in identifying a Model 1917 bayonet marking

G'Day All,

Thanks for reading this. I'm hoping you may be able to assist my fruitless research outcome. I have a Remington Model 1917 bayonet (the successor to the Pattern 1913 bayonet for the Pattern 14 or Rifle No 3 Mk 1 of Commonwealth service.

Photos below show the two sides of the ricasso, with the model, maker and inspection and acceptance stamps. But it's the AD 'Star' on the Pattern 13 scabbard that I'm interested in.

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So, what do you know of the meaning of the "AD Star" stamp in the scabbard?

Grateful for any ideas you may have, thank you.

I'd be sort of interested in what the mark above the 30 indicates

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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

I'd be sort of interested in what the mark above the 30 indicates

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Peter, that chook (chicken...) looking thing is a bona fide US Inspector's stamp, believe it or not. The 'flaming bomb' (grenade) is the US equivalent of the 'Broad Arrow' in the Commonwealth system. The chook is a stylised bald eagle with the factory inspector's number.

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Originally Posted by 22SqnRAE

Peter, that chook (chicken...) looking thing is a bona fide US Inspector's stamp, believe it or not. The 'flaming bomb' (grenade) is the US equivalent of the 'Broad Arrow' in the Commonwealth system. The chook is a stylised bald eagle with the factory inspector's number.

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The 30 is the year I'm told....... and similar to our reissue dates, I've seen dates from 26 -30

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Originally Posted by bigduke6

The 30 is the year I'm told....... and similar to our reissue dates, I've seen dates from 26 -30

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BD,

As these blades were all made prior to 1918, and taking your guidance there, would you see the '30 (1930) as an inspection for back in service, or perhaps, first issue out of an armoury post WW1?

That's an interesting twist, something to consider.

I think that the chicken and 30 indicates a 30 year old chicken. In fact I probably eat that very chicken in my take-a-way last Friday

You haven't shown us the scabbard mount/mouth-piece. I'm guessing that it's the American M1917 scabbard with either of the 2 versions of mounts/mouth-pieces rather than the British 1907 scabbard used with the Pattern 1913 bayonet. I would speculate that the "AD star" may be a manufacturer's mark of the leather scabbard?

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

You haven't shown us the scabbard mount/mouth-piece. I'm guessing that it's the American M1917 scabbard with either of the 2 versions of mounts/mouth-pieces rather than the British 1907 scabbard used with the Pattern 1913 bayonet. I would speculate that the "AD star" may be a manufacturer's mark of the leather scabbard?

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Thank you F10. I'll post photos in response in another comment.

In response to F10's valid query, here are the photos:

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My take on the bayonet/scabbard combo is a US Model 1917 Remington bayonet, coupled with a US made, UK owned Pattern 1913 scabbard, for a previous P14/Rifle No 3 Mk 1 bayonet. My understanding is that the UK owned many P14/Rifle No 3 Mk 1 post WWI and also bought many US M1917s around 1940 when a great deal of materiel and arms were lost at Dunkirk. In UK service, the US style wire belt hanger was incompatible with the Pattern 37 webbing, which had a webbing frog and hence required a round or teardrop shaped button to attach -as this scabbard has.

A good thought on the maker, though I haven't seen such an obvious maker's mark on any of my other US Springfield, M1917 or Garand bayonet scabbards. Hence, my thought was that this stamping was a unit ownership mark.

Any other ideas from the audience? :)

Could it be one of the Indian State Forces as discussed fairly regularly on the forum. I seem to recall that AL was Alambrarahad