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The ".30 M2 Winchester Model Military Rifle"
In January 1941 Williams was directed by Pugsley to attempt to correct additional problems with the Browning design, make it as light as possible, and for use with the standard rifle cartridge .30 M2 (30-06). By the end of May 1941 Williams had redesigned the Browning rifle as requested, with the result weighing only 7 1/2 pounds.
Winchester M2 Rifle - YouTube
I'd just like to shoot one, only a few rounds.
This was a proof of concept not sure it ever was shotQuote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
There seems to be some testing took place...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
"The semi-automatic rifle was designated by Winchester as the Model 30 or G30 and later variants were the G30M and G30R.
In September 1940, the Ordnance Dept. tested the improved Winchester semi-automatic rifle at the Aberdeen Proving Ground. The following month, the U.S. Marine Corps announced plans to extensively test three semi-automatic rifles at its base in San Diego. These rifles were the M1 Garand, the Johnson rifle and the Winchester G30M. The bolt-action M1903 was the “control” rifle for the tests. This gave Winchester some hope that its proprietary rifle might catch the Marine Corps’ fancy instead of one of the other two semi-automatics rifles. Preliminary tests results revealed that the Garand fared better than the Johnson and Winchester designs. The summation of the report stated:
“The Winchester Rifle was seriously handicapped by the short period of time it has been under development. As demonstrated by the tests, in its present state of development it is not a satisfactory service rifle.… [T]he comparative standings of the four types of rifles competing in these tests are as follows: Springfield, Garand, Johnson and Winchester. It will be noted that this standing is in accordance with the length of time each rifle has been under development. Each of the three types of semi-automatic rifles has certain desirable characteristics. Modifications which will improve their reliability under all conditions are being made now and undoubtedly will continue to be made in the future. At the present time, however, the Marine Corps feels that its test conclusively proved that the M-1 rifle is the most satisfactory semi-automatic rifle available to the services at this time.”
Agree on the G30 testing could find no info on M2 testing
I thought they were basically one and the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
Battle Rifle: The Winchester G30R - YouTube
G30 Rifle - Tipping Bolt
M2 - Garand style rotating bolt - which became the basis of M1 carbine
G30 R (T10E1) - only one known to exist - looks like a scaled-up M1 Carbine
yes would be interesting to shoot a G30R rifle
Winchester G30M - YouTube
I see now. Kind of back to I'd like to shoot them.
Can't see why he thinks it would be a superior rifle to the Garand. The stock is extremely thin on the operating rod side, and the handguard likewise, so there'd be lots of breakages there. Getting the nose cap off in the field would be a right PITA and once the stock swelled a bit or moisture got under the cap or into the cross-pin and rusted those, even worse.
The "white" areas on the barrel might be evidence of an attempt to reconfigure the op rod reduce the weakness in the stock.
Backsight too far from the eye, swivelling the whole sight for windage inherently inferior and overly complex, safety only operable by taking hand off the rifle, etc. etc.