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Initial impression on reading your post was why in the world a pump action AR. But watching a video, not a bad system if that's all you're left with. I don't want one, I can own an actual AR but if you can't own one, why not.
Yep. We say “better more than more of less”.
Difficult to translate, but when you have little, better that than a lot of nothing...
I’d rather do with a pump action AR15 than with a full auto nothing.
Very far away from the topic, but I think everyone will find it interesting. A pump action Galil/R4 - https://www.forgottenweapons.com/vektor-h5-pump-action-adaptation-of-the-south-african-galil/.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
I am really starting to wonder where this is all going to go. Spent another weekend really not doing all that much. It's like the entire world just came to a stop. Businesses are dying but we really don't hear much about it. The stores are all on hours like the 1970's other than the big ones are still open on Sundays. And no one is really talking about it. It's like we've all decided this is how it's going to be and that's it. Meanwhile, no one is talking Covid either other than the backdrop of schools reopening which they are this week and next around here. Unless you're involved with that, not much else going on.
And most important, no move by the government to end these measures which are now more damaging than the virus actually is.
Not to mention the "Gun Shows" , AKA Chinese trinket Shows AKA Flea Market. Perhaps 50% guns and related items. If you were looking for Chinese pocketknives/back scratchers you would have been in heaven. I think the generic My Pillow / Dream Sheets dealer did better than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
A few walk ins were the only redeeming factor.
The Department of Justice in the federal government has launched an investigation into the actions of four state governors during the Covid Pandemic, Cuomo in NY, Wolf in PA, Murphy in NJ, and Whitmer of MI. This is what I have been talking about for several months now. They are being required to turn in all evidence concerning the deaths in nursing homes, and the specific orders on handling Covid cases in these facilities. This is pretty cut and dry. These four governors held a meeting and coordinated their response to Covid. All four ordered nursing homes to take Covid patients which resulted in thousands of needless deaths. No other state has had the same problems as these four. In Pennsylvania, 70% of all deaths in the state were in nursing homes. They tried to hide it by moving them to hospitals to die and fudging the numbers. This action is also on the list of requirements to be turned over to the investigators. Why is this significant? Because the CDC guidelines specifically prohibited the introduction of Covid patients into nursing homes and these four governors, all Democrats, ignored this directive while claiming they were following CDC guidelines. Wolf in particular is in deep **** because his Health Secretary removed his mother from a nursing home and put her in a hotel for the duration of this pandemic and did so before publishing the order forcing homes to take them in. THEY KNEW. It's nice to think something will come of this but I doubt anything will. If nothing else, the news will get out there again and perhaps wake up a few more individuals to what these three men and one woman did. NY in particular has managed to keep the true numbers secret with only about 6000 plus being official. But that's because they stopped counting when they move them out and they died elsewhere. It has been estimated that at least 60% of NY's deaths came from these facilities. Considering the numbers from PA, that is very likely. PA's deaths are more accurately tracked. NJ's official percentage is 43%. NY's is 20% which is half the national average. It's a joke. NY and NJ have the highest mortality rates in the country and I expect their true numbers will be in line with PA's when this is all said and done.
Interesting developments.
When someone wants to throw dung in the fan, they at least should be totally clean.
The same is happening over here, and many have stopped loughing all of a sudden.
Ventured to one of our favorite buffet's today for the first time in over six months. In the time the two of us were there, I saw only 5 other customers. 2 were coming in as we were going out. There were at least 10 employees in the place because that many took their dinner break while we were eating. Add the two at the door and our waiter, that's at least 13 and I'm sure there were more in the kitchen.
They cannot survive at this rate. We were there at a prime dinner hour.
I like supporting businesses but neither of us were very comfortable eating there. We had to mask every time we left the table. They only gave us one napkin so there was no where to put our mask when we take them off. We had to plastic glove ourselves to get food.
And today I learned that of all these people who have died from Covid, only 6% of them actually died from Covid. 94% were dying of at least two other things when they got Covid. I knew these numbers were high but not this high. This was the CDC that released this data and no one said anything about it. Not the local or state governments, not the news media. No one said anything until Trump tweeted about it and they had no choice. And when he Tweets something, they are obligated to twist it into something it isn't.
This is their headline for Trumps tweets: Trump Promotes the Outlandish Claim That COVID-19 Has Killed a 'Minuscule' Number of Americans.
I don't follow his tweets so I'm a day or two out of the loop. The CDC released this four days ago and it was around mid day today that some in the media started reporting it because they had no choice. As of this instant, no major news outlet is reporting the CDC release. Only local news stations have picked up on it. Twitter is censoring and removing any reference to Trumps Tweet.
This is what we are dealing with.
They are killing our infrastructure, our economy, our jobs solely for political reasons and they can't hide that anymore, yet they try.
Around here they are doubling down on the masks at the same time as they send the kids back to school! (Not the universities though - go figure!)
Trump missed his chance years ago: he should have used anti-trust legislation to bust up the media conglomerates. For the average...citizen... ;) whatever is on the news is reality; they have neither the guts nor the motivation to investigate anything for themselves, despite it now being ridiculously easy to do so.
I can see the same all over the world. You’re right, unfortunately.
Here, school should start again in two weeks.
It has been shut down since the 24th or 28th of February!!!
But in the last couple days they’re noticing that they did not consider public transportation, the classes are too small for the number of kids and the required distance, etc...
Italy ordered 3 million new desks. 3 frigging million desks!!! With wheels...
I’m really desperate folks.
School here is only for the workers of the educational system. Our unions and the mostly left oriented politicians have destroyed it since ‘68 and now the pupils are more of a hindrance than the real “customers” of the system.
It is getting so adamantly clear, but the political backup the unions have is monstruous, so they still can make all the damage they want.
We would need a real “cultural revolution” here, non in the Chinese sense, obviously, but in the libertarian sense.
No way...
I have notice some interesting developments in the past week or so. First the gunshop, this past Friday it was Christmas at the shop. We received some 9mm Glocks, a Glock 26, two Glock 45s, and three Glock 19Xs. Within one hour all of them were sold. We stopped the waiting list and calls over the phone to purchase unless it the guns are shown on our social media web site. Primary service is to in store customers, Ammo is still critical, we only received two cases of 9x19mm and five cases of .223 Remington, no 5.56mm, i've gotten tired of educating people on the difference, so be it The 9mm is being held for any 9mm pistols that we have to sell so none is available for the walk-in hoarders. we are only permitting 3 boxes of .223 per customer as what we get is it until the next ammo shipment. We are also limiting the 12 gauge 00 Buck as well to 3 5-round boxes. The supply of tactical guns is still good plenty of Churchills and received some 12 gauge Steven 520 tactical shotguns, no AR platforms, Troy A4 Others. Still have the AR pumps but they are moving slowly as there is nothing else available at a reasonable price. Saturday lines were out the door at the shop. Had to place a sign at the door that no 9mm was available so they did not have to wait around for nothing. Training classes are filling up rather briskly. We are thinking about doing training after the store closes in the evening. I was talking to an "official" that the number of people requesting firearm permits have reached the point that the number of requests have totaled more than the number of requests in the previous two years!! And it is only the end of August. The gun control position in politics is starting to change for the better after all of these folks see what the state is doing to them to by defunding police, early release of prisoners, and encouragment to riot under the cover of peaceful protest, etc. There is general fear in the population of all walks of life of what is taking place. It seems that every new shooting or violent protest brings a new crop of gun buyers into the shop.
Secondly, I work on Sundays at a local rifle range as a RSO, this Sunday was a rather beautiful day with many shooter out. My die-hard core shooters were there but I did not get any of the younger crowd to shoot. all of my shooters were in the late 50 and 60's age bracket, shooting high powered rifles. Initially I thought they were getting ready for hunting season by zeroing their rifles. Just about all were zeroing their rifles in anticipation of troubled times! Additionally all were reloaders so ammo was not a problem for them. Things are getting very interesting to say the least.
I keep seeing videos of unrest, assaults, beatings etc. happening in the US.
That is really worrying.
What is even more so, is the feeling I’m getting over here, that there is a good portion of the politicians and the politically correct oriented stars, sports people, artists etc. who seem to be hoping to see the worst happen.
That is unacceptable. This means playing with people’s lifes for the own agenda in a way that shall not be tolerated.
We want to keep it unpolitical, so I’ll stop it here, but it is a real shame and I’m afraid that this will, like many stupid things of that kind, spill over to good old Europe...:help::sos::confused:
The situation remains grave but not serious, so I took the last couple days, with the family mostly out of town (I stayed behind with my youngest daughter, who had to make a lot of homework), to reload the reloadable.
9x21, 44M, 7,65x53, 30-06, 8 Mauser...
Long evenings and a couple hours in the afternoons relaxing and getting ready for armageddon:p
Lil’ Ginger by my side and chatting with me.
Nice...
Saturday I’ll have the Argie stretch her legs and... not yet decided.
Sounds like a good life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovidio
Our governor extended his emergency proclamation for another 90 days. We haven't been in an emergency for the last 90 days. Strictly political. Doesn't make much sense because the longer we are locked down the more votes are going to the other party. People are sick and tired of this.
Kids are going back to school and many schools are really failing them. They to to school for 3 hours doing coursework for half the courses one day and the other half the next. How is this educating them? At best they are learning only half the content. Every school is doing it's own thing. I have serious concerns for the youth during this event.
Same here, emergency extended until the end of October...
Well time for another episode of, "As The Gun World Turns". Firearms are still getting tough to get a hold of. We are down to Big frame S&W Revolvers and several single action pistols. Received two Glock 19 Gen 3 yesterday they did not last an hour. 12 gauge tactical shotguns are moving steadily. Ammunition situation is getting worse. Only one case of .223 Remington, .45ACP and 5.56mm to last us to the next shipment. So this ammo will rationed to one box per customer. Those folks buying a firearm in those calibers are given the option for three boxes of ammunition. We did get plenty of 12 gauge OO Buckshot which should last us a while. We only have several Churchills in 20 gauge and 12 gauge left. The Troy Pump rifles are moving slowly, the two 5.56mm are sold and one of the .300 Blackout sold as well which leaves us with a two .338 Federal and one .300 Blackout. Still no Troy A4 Others yet looking at more than 50 on order. Folks are not batting an eye lash at the price, we at selling them at MSRP. When we have have them its like, "Shut up and take my money." I am afraid the day of the cheap AR platform is over. I talk to several folks in the gun industry and their opinions are, the shortages will be with us long after our Presidential election regardless who wins. I was given the date of early 2022 at least. I got an interesting call yesterday from a ANTFIA supporter who threaten me. I told him come on over, I'll be your huckleberry. Bad, bad things can happen threatening a combat veteran and retired federal special agent. I guess I will have to start carrying a pistol at gunshop.
Be careful and aim straight, in case...
Hopefully the little sh!t stain gets a knock on the door from the local PD for making terroristic threats to a business.
So why the threat? Did he want a gun and can't get it or does he not like you are selling guns?
Doesn't appear to be a gun shortage here. Local gun shop that posts on Facebook seems to be getting plenty of them. They are low on ammo. I'm about due to make a Cabela's trip I guess. Hard to believe but it's been over six months since I've been there also. I'm finding it's been over six months since I've been almost anywhere. Weird as you don't really even think about it until you suddenly do. We belong to a botanical garden and haven't been to it either, not getting our money's worth this year. It was closed to out of state people for a long time and now open only by appointment I believe. Just across the border in Delaware. My wife has traveled a lot more than I have, going to her mother's place at least twice. Only place I've gone outside of a 30 mile radius is Gettysburg once. We did cross the river on an antique run last weekend which is the second furthest I've gone, that may have been just outside 30 miles but pretty close.
Prices on construction items are going up. Store shelves are still thin in Walmart. Halloween items are very light. This is a bad sign. Halloween has become the second most decorated holiday to Christmas around here the past few years and Walmart had one 30 foot shelf of decorations this year. Lowes a very small section. Normally an entire area is devoted to this. I think the toilet paper shortage is over and there seems to be plenty of hand sanitizer finally. DVD releases have started to go up a bit but prices are also up. I think with all this free government money we are going to see quite a bit of inflation very soon. Right now there's just not much to buy so spending remains lower than usual.
I would figure most of the Halloween stuff is in ships off the coast of CA waiting for the tariff outcome . There is supposed to be a Spanish Armada of ships floating out there .
Chris
FBI raided two nursing homes in Pennsylvania today. Part of the investigation of the excessive deaths in four states, NY, NJ, PA and MI. Cuomo of NY was also caught trying to get rid of his order for nursing homes to take covid patients but it's on the internet. Idiot.
Now I'm getting concerned. Went to Cabela's for the first time in seven months today. They have bolt action rifles, that's about it. Never saw so much emptiness in the Cabela's gun area as I did today. Not a single AR under $2000 in the store. Shotguns in the long wall racks 80% gone. Gun library really thin, handguns almost non-existent. Back to the main racks and cases. One case with revolvers, nearly no semi-autos, most of those expensive models.
Handgun ammunition shelf replaced with other things. One caliber of handgun ammo left, 25 Auto. No 22 rimfire, no 5.56, no 223, no 30-06, no 308, no 30 Carbine no 7.62x59 Only a few rifle calibers available, not a lot available for those.
They did actually have a Lemat revolver reproduction in. Lot of good that one will do.
The Cabela's here has been empty for quite a while, last month they finally moved what was left of the gun library out on to the main floor and closed the office. A half-dozen boxes of special 9mm, and about thirty of .25 cal. A lot of rifle ammo, but mostly specialized loads.
I wouldn't feel too under gunned with nine .44 caliber round balls and a 20 gauge grape shot to finish the one that got close. Maybe carry two so one can keep the zombies at bay whilst tediously reloading the other. Best. TomQuote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
Stopped at Walmart this morning and while their shelves are getting bare I was able to purchase two boxes each of 243, 308 and 30-06. Didn't need it but the way I look at it is if nothing happens, I don't need to buy ammo for a long time, if ever.
I gotta agree with that thought...the BP smoke in the stairwell of the house could be thick though...after.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpaul
My boss was flying a Trump 2020 flag out front. This is New Jersey, I am deep in enemy "terror"itory. We advised the local PD and they are keeping a local watch on their patrols.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
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Aragorn-- Better than a BFR. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
Yes, things are getting a bit thin. Received two Glock 19 Generation 3, both gone within an hour. Last Thursday was ammunition picked up day. Only 1 case of of .223 Remington PMC Bronze, 2 cases of Federal 90 round boxes of 5.56mm, two cases of 9mm 115 grain FMJ and two cases of some Federal 9mm Synetic 150 grain ammo. Only allowed two boxes of each customer. Save the ammo until Friday. We opened at noon on Friday. It was all gone within one hour!! We did manage to get 6 cases of Federal LE 12 gauge 00 Buck. but we are rationing that as well to 4 five rounds per person. We closed on Monday due to the holiday and no product to sale. Several folks in the ammo industry believe things will not get better until early 2021 and that depends on how the election will go. They are running at full capacity 24/7 and still cannot keep up with the demand.
I actually went to a few gun stores recently(central Oklahoma)....common ammo like .223 and 9mm is thin or none. Seems to be a fair selection of handguns available. Nothing much to buy as far as AR rifles...all I saw were high dollar AR rifles.
I did buy a Winchester 'Canadian Centennial' 26" M94 rifle at one store....and a ancient Springfield Model 15 .22 single-shot rifle plus a CZ 82 9x18 pistol at another store. I had to dig my ammo stash for 9x18 Mak ammo but had several boxes of Norinco...some 'B-West' 9x18...plus some Blount non reloadable alloy case 9x18 ammo...a few boxes of Fiocchi(all old stock stash from the 1990's)
There was a BLM stickered car seen in and around town last week....probably just scoping things out for a protest.....a few weird reports in the countryside of 'solicitors' up to no good. However the climate around here is not very favorable for communism.
Lots of covid making the rounds in the area....the disease seems fairly mundane and non-lethal at least among the folks I know who have had it. I have not been particularly 'covid safe' and have had no issues(yet). The numbers increase daily however.
A rather boring report I know...but that's the state of things in my area.
Yesterday, on my way back home from Switzerland (all quiet there, by the way), an Israeli customer (and personal friend) called me for the installation of a very big system we need to organise over there.
We've been having trouble organising it due to Covid, the fact that the maximum time allowed there is one week, after which you have to go into quarantine, and we need several weeks, and so on.
After a while he told me that he was very worried because there were rumours of a possible lockdown. People don't behave correctly, the religious extremists (all of them, Christians, Jews and Muslims) do not abide to any regulations, normal people are fed up with the government because of poor communication, non convincing measures... in the end, the situation is quickly slipping out of control.
Fearing the family gatherings during the Yom Kippur, he told me that he was convinced that the government would declare a lockdown, which no-one will follow.
Now...the thing seems done.
In my first post I wrote that my biggest fear was bad communication. I guess I got it really right then...
What a pity.
Little lessons in survival techniques:
Today i prepared some dough for pizza. Now I get to know we’ll be 13 for dinner.
No worries! The sun always shines on the Alpini (cit. Colonel Roberto Abbiati, a great man!!!).
One of those ovens has been on my to-do list for a long time; reading for those of a similar mind: https://www.amazon.com/Bread-Builder.../dp/1890132055
Or if you don't want to wait, you can buy a kit from this company. (They also have an email letter that comes out periodically.)
These Bravo ovens look good!
It has gone national but perhaps not yet international. The riots are now coming here very close to me, County seat, Lancaster PA. I'll keep you informed as to what's going on.
What happened: Yesterday the police received a report of an armed individual making threats against his mother. The report came from this individuals sister. Police responded. The responding officers body camera footage is here:
Officer Involved Shooting 300 blk. Laurel St. Body Camera Video 9/13/2020 | Lancaster Bureau of Police
So anyway, protests ensued shortly after and Antifa was bused in or drove it, whatever, they aren't from here, and the protests became the usual riots in no time. Nothing too severe, a dumpster set on fire, some police vehicles damaged and some prescient windows broken. State police were called in and they cleared them out.
They have not left, more have arrived now dressed in black and armed which in itself is a little unusual. Have not seen many armed Antifa members but of course it could be because the media isn't reporting them. This information came from a local radio call in show and the report was from someone who drove through the area. Said they were just waiting around, probably till it gets dark tonight.
They picked the wrong spot I can tell you that. We have a pansy governor who refused to take a side today and the city is run by Democrats but it is surrounded by 300,000 well armed conservatives, has a good police department and the State Police aren't going to mess around no matter what the governor says or does. The city is the lone Democrat stronghold in a Republican county. Now the Amish aren't going to involve themselves but if this gets out of hand, it could get pretty ugly. So we'll see if their promise to take this to the "suburbs" has any meat to it.
I'm going to be reviewing how various weapons work and where they are located with the wife tonight but as we are 12 miles from the epicenter, not expecting much here. I do have to go through there tomorrow morning to get work done on the truck, we'll see if they decide to try to block the freeways.
It has gone International already. Read about it yesterday.
For what concerns me, I’m heading into “Covid-Country” in Germany’s meat district.
Let’s see if anything changed since July...
All was completely calm here last night. Quiet gathering in a park and that's about it.
This was kind of weird. I went to bed Sunday with no knowledge anything was going on. We were watching movies and the net was quiet. Monday morning I see things on the net, check the local news and they have the dumpster burning and information on the shooting and show how everything had already been cleaned up including the graffiti.
Head out to work and the national talk shows are talking about it. This was the weird part.
I guess it's because this is basically a rural, conservative, fairly famous area (Amish Country) and they were saying it can happen anywhere. But it never really did. News ran the standard mother crying "I didn't ask them to kill him, he needed help" interview. Local news didn't concentrate on that however, they instead spoke of how the cop retreated immediately and really had no choice as everything happened in an instant.
Well see if anything happens later but at this point it isn't looking like it.
You are lucky, it could have been like Charlotte where - Black Lives Matter rioters marched down the street chanting 'Cops killed Jesus' then '**** your Jesus'.
Just wait to see what happens when Trump wins again; all heck is going to break loose.
They are prepping people for that now. It is not going to be pretty. Civil War is a distinct possibility. All this anger and hate and people being kept unemployed and on lockdown. Soros picking up the slack and paying these people. He's the head of the snake. a lot of willing followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by usabaker
Yesterday, a Federal judge ruled our governor's actions un-Constitutional, at least some of them. Four counties had filed suit. Today, he stood forth and spewed out a huge line of garbage about how great of a job he has done protecting the people of this state and how Pennsylvania is an example for the rest of the Country. Pennsylvania has the 13th highest death rate in the US. Pennsylvania's death rate is almost double the national average. Pennsylvania's death rate is higher than Italy's and equal to Spain's. He did not prevent loss of life, he created it by ordering Covid patients into the nursing homes where 70% of all the deaths occurred. He has kept this state shut down for no reason. He spoke of not overwhelming the hospitals and while true, this was accomplished at the very beginning. We NEVER came anywhere close to overwhelming the hospitals in this state. Even New York, as bad as it was was never overwhelmed. We built all sorts of temporary hospitals, sent a Navy hospital ship to NY harbor and none of them were ever needed. It came closest there. PA was never in any danger yet we are STILL shutdown when he today claimed we are not. No public gatherings larger than 25 people has every sport venue shut down. Restaurants at 25% is below the threshold for survival by half. He can't get this overturned. The Federal courts are outside the jurisdiction of the State Supreme Court which he has in his back pocket due to political affiliation. He did however vow to appeal. I don't think it will succeed. He has overstepped, he has an incompetent as his health secretary.
The braying of the donkey, does not reach the sky...Quote:
Originally Posted by usabaker
So much ignorance about religion. So much arrigance by the ignorants. I am trying to learn to overhear them...
Time for another gunshop up date. Since my last posting we have not been able purchase as "regular" .223/5.56mm ammunition. Are last shipment we only received one case of hunting .223 Remington at nearly $18.00 a box. No shooting up stuff. Those who are really desperate are buying them. Yesterday Santa Claus had finally came with stuff I have not seen here at all ever, two IWI Tavor 7.62mm rifles, more 12 gauge Churchill shotguns. Several non-compliant S&W M&P1522 rifles which we have not seen in four months. At 50 S&W 9mm pistols, SVD9s, M&P Shield EZs to name a few. Other 9mm include SCCY compacts, Girshan 9mm pistols and Ruger Security 9s. They will probably be all gone by the weekend. I am starting to get a new flood of new gun buyers after the violent protest in Lancaster, PA. Rumor has it that the US has about 12 million new gun owners so far since March and we still have several months to the election. The politicians are in for a rude awakening if they think the American public is going to give up their rights.
Update on the Lancaster riots. Bail was set for those arrested for the rioting on Sunday. 12 total were arrested 9 received $1 million bail amounts. One other was $100,000, the other two are unclear, one was a minor. None of those assigned bail managed to post it so all are still in jail. This is the difference between a conservative area and a liberal area which simply sets them loose like in Portland and Seattle.
I fear you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
I pray you are not.
In Seattle at the end of May more than twenty-seven people were arrested for criminal acts related to the riots. At the end of July more than forty-seven and mid August eighteen more for similar crimes. Some were able to make bail, a few were released for lack of evidence but everyone charged was issued a court date and whether they were released on bail or must sit in jail they will face the courts. Regardless of my States political leanings, the law is the law and is strenuously enforced and any assertions otherwise are wrong and just plain silly. Tom
Wish that was true for Portland. I didn't know Seattle was any different. It'll be interesting to see how many of them are prosecuted. - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by oldpaul
Update from Yesterday-- We received the guns in the morning open at 12:00 noon it was like a mad house. Lots of folks buying mainly by word of mouth that we had 9mm pistols. Folks that 5 months ago turned up their nose at a SCCY are buying them. All of my 9mm S&W M&P9 Shield EZ are all ready gone. I had 6 of those pistols. Getting lots of folks who are researching the guns before buying. I told them good to research but they will be gone by the time you come back. With guns in and ammo coming in later today it will be like a zoo at work. I am not looking forward to work today. Yesterday I purchase a nice bottle of Jefferson bourbon for tonight after work. LOL and cheers later.Quote:
Originally Posted by fjruple
Cheers. Enjoy the bourbon!
Lets hope those nose turner uppers all know how to use them "properly" :surrender:
Question: If buying a firearm for the first time in the USA; what training or safety instructions go with it? Is there any requirement to know how to operate it safely?
I ask because in France, if you want a pistol or revolver; you need gun club membership for at least 6 months and pass a written safety exam; before requesting a licence to purchase. Which will need clearing by the local police force before you can buy.
So realistically you'll be shooting club guns for a year before you've got your own.
The answer depends on the state where a person lives; there are no national training or safety requirements other than having the firearms secured in a locked container. Some, not all, states have training requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
California requires that you have a California Firearms Safety Certificate(valid for five years from the date of issuance) or Hunting License (California Hunter Safety Course) and a background check before you can purchase a firearm. You must also go through background checks each time you purchase a firearm and every time you buy ammunition.
In California you must also keep all firearms in a California Certified Gun Safe;
An acceptable gun safe is either one the following:
A gun safe that meets all of the following standards:
Shall be able to fully contain firearms and provide for their secure storage.
Shall have a locking system consisting of at minimum a mechanical or electronic combination lock. The mechanical or electronic combination lock utilized by the safe shall have at least 10,000 possible combinations consisting of a minimum three numbers, letters, or symbols. The lock shall be protected by a case hardened (Rc 60+) drill resistant steel plate, or drill resistant material of equivalent strength.
Boltwork shall consist of a minimum of three steel locking bolts of at least 1/2-inch thickness that intrude from the door of the safe into the body of the safe or from the body of the safe into the door of the safe, which are operated by a separate handle and secured by the lock.
A gun safe shall be capable of repeated use. The exterior walls shall be constructed of a minimum 12-gauge thick steel for a single walled safe, or the sum of the steel walls shall add up to at least 0.100 inches for safes with two walls. Doors shall be constructed of a minimum one layer of 7-gauge steel plate reinforced construction or at least two layers of a minimum 12-gauge steel compound construction.
Door hinges shall be protected to prevent the removal of the door. Protective features include, but are not limited to: hinges not exposed to the outside, interlocking door designs, dead bars, jeweler's lugs and active or inactive locking bolts.
A gun safe that is able to fully contain firearms and provide for their secure storage, and is certified to/listed as meeting Underwriters Laboratories Residential Security Container rating standards by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL).
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That sucks, in the US we have the 2nd Amendment in our constitution; "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The comma between the State and The is key.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
In Pennsylvania, you want to purchase a long gun you have a couple of options. Buy one from your buddy and you hand him the cash, he hands you the gun. The other option is buying from a dealer. Then you must go through a background check which can take anywhere from 5 minutes to 3 hours depending on the day of the week and the number of sales going on that day statewide. Buying a handgun requires a background check no matter who you purchase it from.
No requirement for purchase, no requirement for locked storage although new firearms must come with a trigger lock which is usually a very cheap piece of plastic which is discarded immediately upon removal.
Thanks for your replies Gents.
We have similar requirements for safes and storage. We have a limit on purchasing factory ammunition quantity as well. So reloading is popular as less restrictive.
Also our handgun permit has to be renewed every 5 years. This was every 3 years up until 2013. So they have improved the system !
But at least we can still enjoy our pistol target shooting; it just means you have to accept the paperwork.
We had to renew it every 6 years, from 2015 (EU rules), every 5...
It did not improve here:lol:
In Pennsylvania, we do not need a permit to have anything unless it's a short barreled rifle, a silencer or a machine gun. Then there is a $200 tax stamp from the federal government that never expires.
I can strap on a handgun and walk downtown with it if I want, just has to be visible.
A concealed carry permit gives you the legal right to hide the firearm and they need renewed every few years, 3-5, not sure which, just renewed mine.
Back to Pandemic news which in the US turned into political maneuvering to expand it to keep various groups under control, The PA Supreme Court just ruled that they must count mail in votes up to three days after the election is over. Even if they are postmarked 2 days after the election. There is zero reason for this, it will not pass federal muster and is simply a means to muddy the water. Nashville TN was caught hiding the very low numbers of Covid transmission rates in bars and restaurants, 22 when nursing homes and the construction sector both had over 1000 each. Makes you wonder if the same holds true everywhere else. 70% of the deaths in PA were from Nursing homes. Our restaurants are below survive ability levels now, something like 30% will never open again.
Biden has discovered what Trump knew all along, it is outside the President's authority to mandate mask use. So he's changing his tune to requiring it only on Federal Lands. Not sure that passes muster either, Federal Buildings, yes, lands, not so sure. He's also now claiming that every single death could have been avoided. Pretty big statement.
New studies now also showing about 90% of people who have Covid are incapable of transmitting it as their levels are too low. Kind of destroys the need for masks although the CDC is doubling down on the wearing of them after months of saying there are ineffective.
High school football started tonight. Watching the game on TV. Only 100 people are allowed in stands that will hold several thousand because the Governor says no more than 250 people can attend a sporting event. wearing masks, spacing between families, they could easily get all the parents in there but he won't allow it.
Went to our mall today for the first time in about 7 months. Hard to believe it's been that long. Might have been longer as I don't go to the mall that often anyway. I probably average about once every two months although March and April are two of the months I definitely go and did not this year as it was closed.
Not sure how long it's been open to be honest but today it was almost like going Christmas shopping. I'm happy to report that the majority of the stores were open and had lots of customers today. I had fears that a significant number of them would be closed. I did not walk the entire thing and I do know that two anchor stores did not survive. I also know a third is in deep trouble financially. The little guys were all good.
Today I brought the P14 to the range.
Felt as if she needed to stretch her legs.
Great start (5 shots sooooo close to each other), then, ageing eyes messed up a bit...
But what fun it was.
Shooting is better than any health care for me!
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So happenings here is we have the non-maskers running around having rallies going against the masking in public government directive tying up Police resources better deployed against the criminals and when these turkey's are collared by the Police they squeal like a stuck pig that the cops are brutalising them.
Give to an eastern country to show them brutal, these peanuts flaunting the law then crying because they get cuffed and arrested it is actually to much to swallow I thought Australian's could/would conduct themselves with some dignity and lawfulness in trying to get rid of this affliction that faces the world now.
Here in the West we have had no new cases with people from o/seas doing their required hotel quarantine for 14 days at their expense, our premier has done and awesome job keeping his tack and line on our boarder closures much to our PM's dislike but we all saw what happened in Victoria so kudu's to Mark McGowan for this staunchness.
We hear again Europe is facing another wave and the UK the same and fella's I feel for you all in what ever happens infact the world may never really be rid of this thing.
As far as our gun shops near me there is only 2 of them and they are 50 k's apart, they have no powder at all been dry for months same for allot of the consumables, my wife and I had hedged over a period of time long before Covid became an issue so we are ok that way.
Anyway chaps hope all is well with you all and your families Oh! I am still vertical. :) CINDERS out....
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Few odd things going on here both locally and at the national level.
First at the local level. The legislature passed a bill allowing school districts to determine how many people can attend games and matches at the high school level. Today the Governor vetoed it which he promised he would do. The Legislature has called a special session for tomorrow to override this veto. They don't normally do that if they don't have the votes but it does require Democrat support to override the veto so we'll see. Why is this important. Because the Governor has set unrealistic guidelines that make virtually zero sense in determining how many people are allowed. For a Football game, 250 people max can be in the stadium. This is just asinine. With the football teams, the home cheerleaders, the coaching staff, it allows 25 people to come watch the game OUTSIDE no less in stadiums designed to hold thousands. Not hundreds, THOUSANDS. Small schools may only hold a few thousand, larger schools maybe 10,000 or more so this rule doesn't even bother consideration of spacing, etc. Indoor sports are allowed 50 so no spectators for many of them. In fact in some cases, some members of the teams have to sit in the hall because they will be over the limit if the entire team is in the gym.
So there's that.
The Governor's mandates, at least part of them, were determined to be unconstitutional a week or so ago by a FEDERAL judge. His pet state Supreme Court has no say in the matter. He promised he would appeal, he did, he lost he is now judge shopping to find a judge that will overturn the first one. This guy is NUTS.
Restaurants are not allowed to operate at 50% capacity as of yesterday. Which essentially means it's safer to go eat in a restaurant that now is allowed 100 people than it is to go sit in a gymnasium that holds 1000 and at 50% capacity would hold 500, plus the teams, coaches and refs.
On the national level, there is some weird stuff coming out of CDC reports and personnel. Apparently the PCR test they are using to get all these positive cases is extremely sensitive and has a positive result for extremely small amount of Covid and/or Covid related viruses and as this is #19, there are all sorts of things that can supposedly get a positive result. Apparently they have known this for some time and people, not sure who, is keeping it quiet. Politicians would be my guess. So Covid-19 is not nearly as spread as we have been lead to believe. Or it has spread so much faster and further and antibodies are showing as positive results for people that had it, got over it and never knew they had it.
I’m traveling like crazy right now. Yesterday and today in Switzerland. Just got home and, tomorrow, I’ll drive to Austria to see customers. Thursday in Vienna and then back home.
Next week Germany again, like last week.
I’m trying to get as much as possible done before countries will start to shut down again. Or companies...
I’m not eager to travel again as in the past, but I deem it necessary right now in order not to regret it in a few weeks...
I misunderstood what is going on between the Judge and the Governor. The Governor asked the Judge who called his policies unconstitutional to grant a stay until it can be appealed which would keep his policies in place until decided by a later court. The judge denied this request which means his ruling takes effect immediately. Many schools are now opening up their sporting events to spectators.
The judge stated the governor did not provide any reasoning behind the distinctions between gatherings of people for events and the shopping of customers in stores. Big box stores for instance are limited not by number but by square footage capacity. Gymnasiums and stadiums should have the same ability.
I noticed our Walmart removed all the barriers at the entrance to the store and no longer have someone counting people as they enter and exit. Not sure where this change was authorized but it was rather pointless anyway as they never came close to their capacity. Perhaps the judges ruling considered this also. I believe they were allowed 1100 people inside the store at any given time and they average low hundreds. And that's the key point in the judges ruling. An average Walmart is allowed 1100 people and is inside while a football stadium is allowed 250 and it outside.
It just takes a bit of responsible behaviour.
When you’re by yourself, do like you prefer.
When there are people around, keep distance.
If not possible, wear a mask.
Without stress, without talking badly to people. I know some people are scared, so I take these small precautions.
But there it starts and ends.
Our Walmart on the other hand had deemed it needful that all wear masks inside. It's not law nor is it a municipal bylaw. Just their store policy...just them.Quote:
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The Pandemic and even more all the routing and unrest is making ammo harder and harder to come by in San Diego, California, unless you want to pay 50% more than normal prices for it. I was getting TulAmmo 7.62x39 between 9.00 and 12.00 dollars for a box of 20 rounds, now that same ammo is $20.00 for 20 rounds. Gun Sale up 80% in swing states, this number would be even bigger if there were firearms and ammo to be had.
Gun sales in major swing states up nearly 80% this year: Will it have any bearing on election outcome?
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Well it is time for another update on the gun business in New Jersey. Another wave of "shoppers" is hitting the shop after the Louisville, KY protest. Mostly all are new to the world firearms. The shop found a supplier who has been a god send for the shop. Glocks and Sig Sauer are still primer 9mm handgun to purchase, it seems that many are being sold by wholesalers directly on gun sales web sites for well above the MSRP. And they are get the prices, which leaves the small shops like us looking for anything that shoots a 9mm cartridge. There appears to be little or no hunting season this year as just about all firearms and ammunition being produced are tactical in nature. Tactical rifles is 5.56mm, Tactical shotguns in 12 and 20 gauge, and any 9mm handguns. The shop received yesterday about 75 9mm handguns, made by S&W, FNH, a Walther Q5, Girshan copies of the Glock and Beretta 92G. We also received a nice package of 12 guage pump shotgun from Black Aces which includes an extra 28" barrel and extended magazine tube, pistol grip and folding stock in a hard roller Boyd type case, really nice. we also received a bunch of Steven AR 5.56mm type platforms which will have to be made NJ compliant before they leave the shop. Also 6 Troy A4 Others in 5.56mm with a 10.5 inch barrel. I did notice that Troy changed the configuration of their lowers on their gun. Ammunition is still very hard to get only one case of 9mm to last the week. We will probably only allow one box sale with a 9mm handgun purchase. Got several cases of 9mm hollow points but they are illegal in NJ for self-defense. People still buys them. Today should be a madhouse to purchase firearms and ammunition. It looks like it will be another end of the day bourbon night. LOL!! Stay healthy and well armed!!
And, again, enjoy the bourbon!
Glad I stockpile ammo and never shoot any of it. Finally made me a wise gun owner. I started buying more as soon as I got wind of this pandemic and for the first time ever, the wife didn't complain. Still buying on occasion but now it's mostly hunting rounds because that's all there is.
Our "fair" started last night and runs till tomorrow evening. Seven food vendors. Carneys who make their living doing this but no possible way they are making any money this year. Our fair has at least 50 of them for six full days. These poor bastards get three short evenings. Better than nothing I suppose and there were big lines for 5 out of the 7. The two that didn't have lines really didn't have to prepare anything, just show up fully stocked. Soft ice cream and the candy apple, cotton candy guys. Football game had spectators tonight but looked like families. The band was allowed to attend tonight also so there was more normalcy to it. We still watched on TV. My wife and I don't want to take away someone's opportunity when they have a kid there in the band, cheerleaders or on the football team.
As for Walmart, we've had to wear masks for months in the store and that hasn't changed. A lot of people didn't and they never really enforced it but the vast majority wear them.
Something's bothering me. I'm a numbers guy as you guys know by now. My home state of Pennsylvania has a higher mortality rate from Covid than Italy does. Yet there was never any sort of real problem here from Covid. The hospitals were never overrun, not even in Philly. Most people don't even know anyone who died from it. Yet Italy is portrayed here at least as a disaster area with coffins piled up all over the place. I'm assuming this actually happened in one or two places but not all over Italy. I know how the media works. I also understand that Europeans think the United States is some sort of disaster area due to all the media reports when in actuality we are doing our best to go about our normal lives despite what the state governors are restricting us too. Mortality rates as a whole in the US are much lower than nearly every "western" nation in the world despite our "huge" numbers.
Steve,
When this ALL settles down, I am sure stuff will be released that throws a lot of what we are doing as humans currently, into serious doubt, but until then WE as mere mortals have to conntinue to be gulible and follow scientific advice (or is that Government) who knows???
Even experts like my son in the Army who worked on Ebola in Sierra Leone for 6 months, can't join up the dots.................suffice it to say.............its not as straight forward as we are all to believe.
Time will tell and hopefully the "cause" will be held to some form of accountability, as its clear we can't go through a world wide pandemic like this again, 102 years after the last one!!!
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well, not to be rude, but it seems you have a lot more faith in scientist (and govt) than I do.
especially noticeable with all the "reversals" coming to light....
And then...it’ll be too late to call someone to take responsibility...
We, as single human beings, can only follow the minimal rules of sensible behaviour for what we can understand right now. But I‘d really like to have the chance of addressing things face to face with those who might be recognised as responsible...even if in 20 years from now. I love milsurps ‘cause they tend to work even if veeeeery old...:bitch:
So so..., after seven months, today we met our friends from the winter holidays.
We were together during the carnival week at the end of February, just before the lockdown.
We have three kids, one boy with 17 years, and two girls with 14 and 10. They have three girls with 16, 13 and 6 years.
We meet in the mountains since 2008 and are very good, if distanced!, friends.
The kids really enjoy each others company.
This family is from Trieste, less than 100 km from here, but during the past months we never found a moment to meet.
Today was the day.
The kids grew up a lot, all of them. They just fell into each others arms as soon as they met.
We did the same with the parents.
It was a great moment of a wonderful day.
We’ll keep meeting in the mountains for our week of skying, as we did in the past 8 years.
Lately I started analyzing this pandemonium...
I hate to feel being manoeuvered, manipulated, forced to accept things and situations I don’t like.
But, if I look at all of this from another angle, a very private and intimate one, I must admit that this pandemics has changed my life for best.
I know I’m priviledged. I work with the food and pharma industry, so this situation has not damaged me in any way, maybe it could almost be considered neutral.
But it kept me home. Reduced my travel time by 80-90%.
I have been with my wife from before my military duty. Actually, from 1992.
Apart from the first 18 months before military, until July 1994, I have never been home for more than 10-15 days in a row.
Now I have traveled for less than 20 days in 7 months.
If I had to take a bet, I would have bet that I would drive crazy after two weeks.
In fact, I have never enjoyed myself, my family...life! as much as I did since the start of this foolish thing.
Today, meeting this family, people we meet each and every year, but only on the sky tracks, I again got this feeling of... I can’t explain.
I was so happy, so thoroughly, deeply, strongly alive...glad to meet good people...
This pandemic is crap, but it made me change my life. It brought me back to the real values.
I’m scared to write it down in clear, plain words, but it made me a better person.
Sincerely...I don’t want to go back to “normal” life.
I want to keep traveling at a lower pace, making skype or teams meetings for all those “trivial” reasons for which I wasted so much time, family time, before.
I said that earlier! I’m priviledged right now, working for the food and pharma industy, but I feel like it was time to somehow slow down and start focusing again on the real values...my kids, my wonderful, loving, unbelievably great and savvy wife.
I love life as I never did before.
Just felt I had to tell it to someone...
Keep looking ahead my friends!
Thursday we spent the evening with my daughter and grandson. We have not spent much time with them since this started. I did some work in her house for about a week back in May, she brought him over for an hour or so in July and that's pretty much it. He's two. He's showing impact from this. He wasn't himself while we were there, not that we would know but Mom knew. I speculated it was because he wasn't around people and she agreed. Don't get me wrong, he knew us, he was happy to see us, he wanted to show off, he called Grandma by her title for the very first time. He's called me Pap Pap for over a year. But this has to be hurting him somewhat developmentally.
I just read an article today about suicides among kids being at an alarming rate. One hospital in Texas, ONE HOSPITAL is seeing one child suicide a DAY. Pennsylvania still has not had a single death from Covid under the age of 20.
I too think we have failed this pandemic miserably and with this and the resulting fiasco, when a REAL pandemic hits, I think we may be doomed. No one is going to want to repeat this.
I also enjoyed the slow down, for a while anyway. But I'm never a fast mover anyway, never have been. I can get along with minimal contact now because my normal life involves minimal contact. I have my clients, my family and a couple of close friends and that's my social circle
My wife on the other hand is suffering from serious depression. In her mind, everything she loves to do has been taken away from her. She's shut down somewhat. And it's not really the social events either, not directly. We love our events, our fairs, our car shows, our renaissance fairs, our races, high school football games, church etc and all have been cancelled one after another and she's been counting them down. They even cancelled things into January of next year already. Things we have gone to every year since we've been married.
I'm now just tired. Tired of all the bullcrap. The science has caught up with this and it isn't what they said it was but the politicians are still acting like it is.
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I have mixed feelings about this situation.
The lockdown was a great experience for our family; we had 2 months together at our country cottage; fabulous weather and real quality time together. I agree ith Ovidio; it was very good for our family; no stress, no arguments or problems and no health issues. Plus you could not spend much money, so despite earning less; we saved more.
However after lockdown; working back in the centre of Paris; it's not so nice. I think people are becoming less respectful of each other and a real lack of civillity. Many are really just out for themselves. Especially on the roads!
A couple of weeks ago I was knocked off my bike by a van driving on the wrong side of the road; I had right of way, which he ignored completely; he was came onto my side to overtake a truck that was parked, yet kept driving towards me when I had left plenty of space for him to pass between the truck and myself. Basically he rammed into my bike, hit the pedal and i had to eject myself because the bike was getting dragged backwards. He drove over the rear wheel and drove off in a hurry. Luckily I wasn't hurt, but I was ****ed off. Bike was badly damaged too. There was at least 4 metres between where the bike was hit and the truck that was parked; so it seems to me it was deliberate. Why else would drive off?
Well- Update from Friday. Open 12:00PM to 6:00PM King Murphy's hours. Troy A4 Others gone! Savage/Stevens MSR-15s Gone! 9mm hollow points Gone! All of the S&W 9mm pistols Gone! Half of the 12 gauge Black Aces Tactical Pump shotguns gone! Only ARs left are 300 Blackout and 6.5mm Grendals. Surprisingly we had two Ruger PC9 Carbines which did not sale. Go figure! Most of the folks are newbies who are looking for the classic Glock 19 or 17. In our area you have a better chance of being the Pope then getting a Glock 9mm. Today will be another bat *hit crazy day with people coming in a day late for stuff that was gone yesterday! Today was a bit odd in that people were buying multiple firearms, such as a pistol and shotgun/rifle. Price was no problem either. Still getting the odd old guy coming in looking for the $300.00 9mm pistol which has not been available since the early March when all of this crap started. Strangely I was able to purchase an 8lb keg of Hy-Skor 700X for $145.00 there are bargains out there. Cheers
PS-- I was too tired from the day to enjoy the bourbon! Had a quick bite to eat and went to bed to awake to another day of fun and games to the gunshop. Now I have to make all of the Savage MSR-15s NJ complaint.
Merle,
No faith in them from this callsign.......................Gullible is what I said which I stand by. There's more going on here than a World Wide Pandemic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:help:
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Thanks - I'm glad to hear you were not taken in by the BS as so many have been.... :super:
You got THAT right. I'm just going to have to wait a couple years probably before I'll be able to figure out what...Quote:
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In the meantime... Germany, just as an example, is starting to impose the quarantine for people coming from single regions or provinces of Europe again.
A few Swiss cantons, Vorarlberg in Austria, Vienna or Graz... The list is very long (as of yesterday) and getting longer by the day.
I'm curious to see what happens next.
Our government is already talking about the extension of the emergency state until January.
They say that unless they do it, lots of special regulations and provisions would cease to function, but that is crap.
They should change the basic rules and allow those regulations and provisions to work also in normal times by reducing the bureaucracy that creates the problem.
But bureaucracy has a capacity for self maintaining and survival that is astonishing.
Therein lies the problem. I would also add metastasize.Quote:
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It seems you are very fortunate indeed.Quote:
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I would say your family is as well as you seem insightful and quite focused on what is really important.
I feel I am indeed.Quote:
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I was so much out of home that I was almost scared of being here. This frigging virus, while peeing me off for many consequences, restrictions and other things we all feel, has given me the chance of slowing down much more than all my “downshifting” strategies.
And it put me back home with all those incredible treasures I have around me.
That is the biggest gift I ever received.
And I’m resolute in not wasting this chance!
Time for another update on the gun business in NJ. It appears we are the only shop in South New Jersey that appears to be full of firearms. Glocks and Sig Sauers are still out of reach as it appears as wholesalers are cutting out the distributors and the retailers and selling their products directly to online sales at retail prices thus soaking up the profits that the distributors and retailers would get. We have been doing a lot of these transfers for a basic fee plus the NICS cost. The buyer does all of the leg work. We have been able to purchase many of our pistols, rifles and shotguns at retail cost which gives us some stock. (It's better than selling talking Trump dolls and water pistols, LOL!! Yes that is true!! We like poking King Murphy in the eye!) The same source has also provided us non NJ compliant semi-auto 5.56mm AR platforms for sale. It appears that only AR rifles with all of the bells and whistles are being manufactured no compliant state versions. My main job has been to make these rifles, NJ compliant for sale, (Permanently fix collapsable stock, remove bayonet lug and replace flash hider with muzzle break and permanently attach to barrel). The ammunition situation is real bad! Yesterday we only received one case of 9mm hollow points for the whole week, we will save them for sale with the 9mm pistols that we have in stock. Again no .38 Special or .22LR. Plenty of .40 S&W, .45ACP and 12 gauge 00 Buck. My sources in the ammunition industry says they are running 24/7 with 3 shifts to try and keep up the demand. Several have said that they will got get ahead of the game until early 2021 again depending who wins the election. I personally only took this job as a part-time help, two days a week and now I am working full-time as a sales rep and also as a gunsmith. The one bright thing coming out of this for me I am able to additional machining equipment for my shop.
And I keep reloading...
Yesterday 50 .357M Wad Cutter and 50 FMJ. The day before 50 9x21 FMJ.
Tonight I'm going out with some friends, so no reloading.
Tomorrow I'll dump all the lead at the range:D
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Another update from the NJ gunshop. It seems that we are falling into a pattern with the buying and selling. Another major shipment of firearms came in on Thursday 29 Sep. Mostly S&W M&P9 and EZ .380, 9mm Girsans, copies of the Beretta 92 and S&W M&P some with optics. 5 Stevens 12 guage tactical shotguns. 4 Windham Weapon WW15 rifles in .223 Remington. 5 Churchill 12 gauge Pump Shotguns and 8 Dickerson 12 gauge tactical pump shotguns some nickeled finished. No Glocks or Sig Sauers. Thursday night we received 10 Troy A4 Other Firearms in 5.56mm. Opened Friday morning at 12:00Pm Noon there was a line around the block, it is amazing how people find out that you have guns without the advertising on the web site!! It like how sharks smells blood in the water. My first customers were a young couple and the husband was looking for a Troy A4 Other. She saw the price and rolled her eyes to her husband!! LOL! I asked the husband did you check with the "Minister of War, Finance and Love" before your purchase? It is amazing how many husbands get caught trying to conceal their gun purchases from their "ministers" and get caught. Some are real classics!! I had one the other day try to split the purchase on several different credit cards and the wife went ballistics when all of credit purchases came up on her cellphone from the same gunshop!! LOL!! Our weekly supply of ammunition came in today, one case of 9mm hollow points for the whole week!! We will use that case to sale with each firearm. The hoarders are out of luck this week. Two cases of .223 Remington and that's it.Still no .22LR and .38 Special. Still Okay on 40 S&W, .45ACP, 357 Magnum and 12 gauge 00 Buck. At the end of the day, Friday All of Troy A4 Other were sold, The Windham Weaponry WW15s gone! All large and medium size S&W 9mm pistols gone! Only small M&P9 shield and M&P .380 EZ left. When we open this afternoon it will be worse! Enough from me! Stay safe and healthy my friends.
I have enough powder, lead and cases to last me till the end of my life.
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I’m not allowed to... We can have max. 5 kg of powder. But they’d also count my rounds and assign approx. 30 grains per rifle round and maybe 3 or 5 for handgun calibers. That’ why I never keep more than 4 kg.
When ignorants can write laws...
For us reloaders and bullet casters, is it nice say, "If I need 1,000 rounds of 5.56mm/.223 Remington I can go in the basement and knock out 1,000 rounds in several hours." I have a saying, "The lack of your preparation in times of trouble does not constitute an emergency on my part."
This is when you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that something is purely political.
Governor restricts crowd sizes at sporting events which has crushed commercial events and really harmed the mental health of school age children who while they may compete, can have not spectators including their family members watch them.
The State Congress passes a law nullifying the governor's dictate, he refuses to sign it. The State Congress holds a vote to over ride the veto and enough members of the governor's party change their votes to no which results in the over ride failing.
The Governor is sued to declare his dictate UN-Constitutional. It goes to the State Supreme Court which has a majority of the Governor's party sitting on it. They decline to overturn his dictates.
The Governor is sued in Federal court and the judge declares his mandate unconstitutional.
The Governor requests a stay from the judge until he can appeal. He is denied.
The Governor court shops and finds a Federal Court that will grant him a stay.
So the Governor's mandate prohibiting gatherings for sporting events is put back in place after being gone for two weeks. The Friday it is put back into place is largely ignored by every high school in the state as they already handed out tickets to parents and families.
Sunday, two days after the Governor got his wish to have his dictates put back in place, he reverses himself and allows sporting events to be held based on their capacity. Which is EXACTLY what the judge had ordered, the Legislature had passed and what the schools and commercial venues were doing in the first place.
It's enough to drive you nuts.
And last evening, I got to watch our transgender Health Secretary tell us all how wonderful Pennsylvania did their job compared to Florida and Texas. Neither of those two states fully shut down and both opened back up fairly early. We are still shut down in many areas, entertainment, restaurants, bars, etc. Florida did recently surpass us in death rates, Texas is still below us. But that is with they up and running at near normal. Neither sent covid patients into their nursing homes.
Now the Governor of neighboring New York has once again stripped the Mayor of New York City of his ability to regulate Covid restrictions. They both plan to restrict religious groups under threat of arrest and the takeover of their places of worship along with closing schools in certain neighborhoods.
We're starting to restrict the freedom of people again.
They even get to the point of strongly suggesting to wear the face mask also at home...
At the moment, it is not clear if we have to wear that damn thing always when outside, or only if we have people around.
If we go walking or jogging, or make sport, it is not necessary.
The government criticised Lombardy for making two special Covid hospitals, then other northern regions followed, while in the South, especially Campania (Naples and surroundings), the local "Governor" played the macho and the strong man all the time, but never moved a finger. Now, his region is full of infected and he has not made a single new Covid bed since March. And Lombardy, as always, is taking his ill citizens...
I'm really tired of all this crap. I dream of good communication and of the use of some brain by those in command, but it seems that it will not be the case, again...
The only consolation is that elsewhere it doesn't seem to be better under this points of view.
We had a real lock-down, the only ones. Two months detained at home, like nowhere else in the civilised world (I don't count China. There you have no rights), and I'm not willing to let it happen to me again.
The anarchist I always suspected in me is getting stronger day by day.
Some group was actually plotting to take out the governor of Michigan. Oddly, I'm only hearing this on the radio news. Nothing on my news sites. They interviewed her and she was rather freaked out and didn't understand why anyone would do this. I'm not baffled at all but I do find it strange that the leader of this effort wasn't from Michigan but an East Coast state. The governor of Michigan is admittedly about five times worse than my governor here in PA. Michigan is a large state that has a heavy population in the south and around the lakes but almost no one in the upper peninsula area and she treats the entire state like it's all the same one unit where everything is the same. Locking down the low population areas when they don't even have Covid cases. She's also violated to may of their rights she's been sued and has lost several times yet she rewords her directives a tiny bit and puts them back into place only to be struck down the next day. She should be removed from office
Sounds familiar...
You mean Creuella DeVille?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
Good luck with this one, I don't envy you but understand. Be careful too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovidio
I'm non violent, so I'll take the consequences, but I'll keep following sensible rules.
Face cover when I meet people, otherwise I'll walk without. I respect the fear of others and also am convinced that a face cover is really helpful. But not always and in any situation.
If I go to the city, then I'll keep it on on busy central streets. But as soon as I'll see the street empty...away with it. Under the chin or hanging from an ear, but not suffocating me further.
I have always been someone who follows the rules and pays for the others who don't.
At this age I'm starting to not like it anymore.
I gave enough under that point of view. I don't need to be educated by anybody.
Apart from that, Thursday I made a quantum leap in my reloading.
Since I'm shooting quite a lot lately, and also a lot of handgun shooting at that, I was getting fed up with the manual dosing of the powder using my Lee dippers. Soo much time...
So I went to my local gun shop and bought a wonderful Lee Perfect Powder Measure. The cheapest dosing system on the planet.
AND IT JUST WORKS GREAT!!!
I loaded 50 9x21 and 50 44M for target shooting in the same time I would have needed to just dose the powder in either of the 50 pieces.
That is including the adjustment and the checking of every fifth load at the beginning of both calibers.
What a wonderful improvement.
I'm not yet convinced that I want to use that thing for rifle loads. I like to be extremely accurate with them. I even check each and every round for length...
But for those small loads it has definitely convinced me.
I'm already making a small chart noting the powder and the depth the small measuring plunger sits at for each load I use, just to cut on set-up time next time I'll get back to reload one of the already tested calibers.
Tonight I'll make another 50 9x21 and adjust the powder measure using that data. That should bring me very close to the desired load, if not directly there.
I already see my friends making jokes over me for buying a Pro 1000 some day... The guy who used only the manual loading systems from Lee...Hammer and dippers....and manual scale.
They told me that the powder measure equals to me going from handwriting to a mechanical typing machine, while the world is already at the dictation software. But that gives them hope to win me into modernisation.:thup:
Ovidio just be sure with your H/G loads (Infact any reloads) your above 50% case capacity that way if you do muck up and double charge a round the case will over flow.:thup:
I have a pic somewhere of an 44Mag S&W stainless with the back strap blown clean off and about half the cyliner blown off as well from a user who said to the cops handing it in he was shooting reloads.:yikes:
As far as Covid goes Sydney has had new cases eastern states are still struggling with this thing the politicians are plucking money from goodness knows where to keep stuff going but none have stood up and are taking a pay cut Why The Frig! would they.
Rumours are abounding about our states locked boarder and it is a pre-empt for possible cessation from the rest of Australia as this has been twice tried before and defeated as the country relies on our minerals and gas to keep the engine running.
I voted twice for sucession but as stated it never occured we will see it looks like down the track, our premier wants to keep it shut till possibly April or June 2021.
Then as we see all over the planet with Covid we also have the knuckle draggers and evolution rejects here that defy logic and flaunt the law wasting valuable police and armed services time with their antics and anti-mask rallies.
Look guys who knows where this is gunna end I fear a global collapse of the monitary system leading to a depression worse than that of the 1930's and after WWII we may then find ourselves in a barter system for food and water etc.
We have no gunpowder down here in the S.W nor projectiles nor primers infact I heard a story they are buying up over east and shipping it back to the USA nothing would surprise me.
My wife and I hedged for a few years we have lotsa barrels, pills, primers, powder, cases for all our rifles so are comfortable shooting for about the next 4 years straight by which time all will be right again.
Look after yourselves and family try to avoid the knuckle draggers when you are out, but if you end up with a hood ornament then the gene pool will be a better place...........Cheers.