Dave: the guy who owns this barrel is involved in a criminal enterprise. YOU could certainly take an "aiding and abetting" charge, yourself. What is HIS story?
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Dave: the guy who owns this barrel is involved in a criminal enterprise. YOU could certainly take an "aiding and abetting" charge, yourself. What is HIS story?
Thanks for your reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lietuva
I was very careful to accuse no one of fakery. I merely pointed out the barrel to forum participants and invited comments. I was aware, of course, that the barrel markings were fake. But, I had no reason whatsoever to suspect or believe that the fakery originated with you. Indeed, I defended your integrity in private conversations about the barrel.
Your remarks inviting private criticism are generous. Most sellers, however and unfortunately, take personal offense when the quality of their merchandise is questioned or challenged. I, therefore, sought to caution forum participants about the barrel rather than pursue confrontation or offense.
Removing the barrel from auction is honorable. The barrel, however, is still salable merchandise. The description, however, need only be modified to state that the markings have been re-engraved and the original place and date of manufacture were Springfield Armory in August, 1917.
Thanks again for your reply!
J.B.
I think we all make mistakes when we've sold something - it is how we handle those mistakes that makes a difference.. One of the reasons CMP has such a good reputation among buyers is that if they make a mistake (even if they are technically not required to do so), they correct it quickly and in about 99% of the cases, to the customer's complete satisfaction.
Thanks for the nice replies (I am taking part of the day off from work so had a chance to get back to the forum). The particular consignee of this merchandise buys items by the truckload from auctions and has no way to authenticate every single item and certainly not the time. I suppose 'aiding and abetting' in a criminal act is a good description for some people to say about me, but I wonder if a person who makes such assumptions (even after the fault has been acknowledged and rectified) 2000 years ago would have been willing to cast the first stone. By the way, thanks again. I will probably relist the barrel at an extremely low price and disclose everything the kinder posters have discussed.
Dave
I commend your response, sir. It is so different from the usual response we receive that I had to read it twice. I wish you success in your endeavors, sir.:super:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lietuva
You might want to look upon the forum as individuals that assisted you in correcting a listing, and you kindly responded to our effort, versus the usual vile response we get. I have on numerous occassions attempted to illuminate sellers that their wares, known or unknown to them, are not what they appear.:madsmile: I have received a collection of responses that I wouldn't want my grandchildren to read. Yours is refreshing, and restores my faith in the system.:beerchug:
Just for your information, I too was once placed in your position.:yikes: I bought a stock that was not what it was supposed to be, and later discovering I wasn't going to complete my project, I put that stock up for sale. The buyer discovered the discrepancies I was too uninformed to see, and I refunded his money at a loss to me. I felt very foolish at the time.:crying:
It happens to us too. By the way, I do "final sales" myself.
I thank you again for one of the better responses I have seen,
Jim:cool:
It seems to me that, I have seen this same barrel "up for sale" a year or so ago. Don't recall who had it, but it seems realllllly familiar.
I also have a report that the WL 14 steel lot # is associated with a SA 8-17 barrel whish was assembleled on a SA 665079 receiver as reported on CSP March 2004.
Other characteristics (problematric) that I see are:
For a 05 barrel (30-03), there is no original groove to accomodate the pin of the front sight which was originally pinned at the front of the spline.
RSFB is a solid & not of the 2-ring earlier style. At the rear there is no evidence on the barrel shoulder that there was ever a 2-ring base installed >> no longitudnal (anti-rotational) hole for the previous pin.
HTH <> DW :yikes::bash::nono: :cheers: :beerchug:
Other WL steel codes, related to barrel dates, I have are:
WL 120 (SA 12-20)
WL 110 (SA 6-21)
WL 116 (SA 9-24)
WL 130 (SA 6-28)
A roll die setup is a very sophisticated piece of machinery way beyond even the restorers who use hand engraving to restore, or in some cases replace, markings that have been removed.
The marking on the barrel in question appears to have been pantagraphed, as the points of the flame are rounded rather than sharp, and has no detail.
maybe not done by you, but at some time, this barrel was likely made into a 1905 barrel.
the date and martial markings were added by someone other then the military.
but done along tim ago.
i didnt see the squashed area..
You ask why nobody emailed you. I watch for fake accessories in Carbine, Garand, and M14. I have spotted thousands over the years. I never notify the seller because on eBay (I do not know about Gun Broker) the seller can submit a complaint that you are interferring with his sale, and eBay will take revenge.
Unless there is a financial connection between you and the seller, getting involved in a sale is potential suicide.
Like John, I have had mixed results in helping sellers. I can't say I have had a totally negative response. I do remember several thanking me and changing their descriptions to reflect my suggestions. In one case, the seller and I started emailing back and forth and we later started calling each other. We've turned into good friends.