How Original Is Yours...........

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Originally Posted by jmoore

One way to tell if your rifle SHOULD have the swivel is to check whether or not your scope bracket has a S/N on it. If it does (brackets were numbered after WWII), then there should be a swivel. There's other post war mods that will serve as clues as well...

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Like center-punched pad screws.

But just a minute - if there were no swivels used during the war, why did they bother to issue the M1907 sling? (I can't be bothered to dig out the books :D )

Put the sling through the butt swivel and utilize "U.S." style! (Can detach the rear or just loosen enough not to interfere whilst shooting "slung up".) The mid swivel option is just that w/ the M1907 sling- an option. Its super handy when using the British style web sling, though. I like the web sling better, in fact, when utilizing the mid swivel.

Surpmil, If you're referring to the staked screws on the mounting pads, my '44 has all five screws staked once.

Brad

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Put the sling through the butt swivel and utilize "U.S." style! (Can detach the rear or just loosen enough not to interfere whilst shooting "slung up".) The mid swivel option is just that w/ the M1907 sling- an option. Its super handy when using the British style web sling, though. I like the web sling better, in fact, when utilizing the mid swivel.

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I see, but what would be the point of issuing the M1907 sling if there was no swivel on the guard to which to fit it? Might as well just issue a web sling if it can only be used on the butt and band swivels.

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Originally Posted by bradtx

Surpmil, If you're referring to the staked screws on the mounting pads, my '44 has all five screws staked once.

Brad

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Right, and I believe we're told that indicates it was in UK service post-WWII when the staking of screws became an "SOP", to use NA parlance.

Its was issued because that's what was "supposed" to be issued?

I reckon the operator could much more easily round up a web sling than the leather if he prefered the former. By issuing the leather sling its easier to keep everyone satisfied. Or not. I really have no idea!

Surpmil, My fault, but the '44 (T) referenced above is an unfinished/unissued BSA-Shirley. No doubt staking of the screws became a REME bullit point post WWII, but at some point during WWII H&H started staking the screws.

Brad

If it's unfinished, maybe its a "staking trials" test piece.(?)

jmoore, I think the issue was 'trialed' by the snipers and REME in combat, then a running change made at H&H to preemtively fix the issue.

Brad

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Originally Posted by bradtx

Surpmil, My fault, but the '44 (T) referenced above is an unfinished/unissued BSA-Shirley. No doubt staking of the screws became a REME bullit point post WWII, but at some point during WWII H&H started staking the screws.

Brad

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Now that you mention it, my 1944 "T less Telescope" rifle had staked screws, so perhaps they were all done post-WWII.

I can't comment on H&H staking them during WWII. Is there a source for this or is it deduction?

"I can't comment on H&H staking them during WWII. Is there a source for this or is it deduction?" --Surpmil

!n a thread (source unknown now) about the unfinished Savage (T)s there was a remark that they went to stores from H&H and remained there until SOS. Makes sense to me as my transit case is marked (T) less scope so likely of no interest. Possibly not even for the L42A1 conversion program.

A feeble attempt to stay fully on topic...If the REME had staked the screws post war, wouldn't the trigger guard swivel also have been added?

Brad