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Surely the number should be a) perfectly horizontal and b) perfectly centered. This number is neither. And the 7 looks very heavy/overstamped. All the M1917s I have seen, regardless of wear, had the inscription and number perfectly aligned and evenly applied.
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Patrick
All these posters are correct, the number should be centered and deep. The roll mark looks to have been polished and somewhat gone. I wouldn't buy it for the price of a loaf of brown bread. Simply not believe-able.
Believe it or not. That is an unaldultered photo of the reciever ring. According to people on other web sites Remington justified the serial number to the right and did not center them. I have seen a 5 digit one that was justified right. There are no signs of grinding or other metal manipulation. This reciever was made early in the production run and is unique. Also the pic was shot with a cellphone camera so the pic is not optimal. Go to the CMP bolt action fourm and look at the thread showing a six digit #. The last number lines up under the o in remington and the numbers are not in a perfect line.
Here is a first day production M1917 from the National Firearms Museum, S/N 137: The National Firearms Museum: U.S. Remington Model 1917 Bolt Action Rifle
Yes, the S/N on the above linked is indeed moved to the right, but not that far. Better pictures of the receiver ring would help.
And it's cockeyed.
I will try to get better pictures of the reciever. Here is that example from another web site showing the serial # not perfectly in line.[IMG]http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2378/img0996sa.jpg[/IMG]
the serial is good, iv seen many 17,s with out of index numbers, some so bad youd think it was hand stamped by a drunken cowboy..
i think its a great find.. would love to have that in my stable..
Looks like they are all right justified under the "o" in Remington. Given first day production, I would expect things might not look like rifle 150,000. My 2cents
Well, I was happy to stumble into this thread and thought I'd add a photo of my example. This rifle came from a friend who acquired it sometime in the early 1960s. It walked into a small gun shop in Eastern Washington with a customer who wanted it sporterized. The shop owner called my friend in to look at it and he negotiated a deal to trade another M1917 rifle to be sporterized.
The rifle has been arsenal rebuilt and carries a boxed AAS cartouche on the stock and a 6-18 Eddystone barrel. Almost all the metal parts have been parkerized but it still has a blued Remington bolt. I didn't note any Winchester parts, just a mix of Eddystone and Remington.
I was always happy to add a single digit gun to the collection but had reservations about the number because it wasn't centered like similar serial numbers on M1903 rifles were. About 8 or 9 years ago I ran some photos past Bruce Canfield who also shared his suspicions about its originality. On the other side of the equasion, I was comfortable that it was a total "sleeper" when originally entering collector's hands, remained in my friend's collection unaltered for 35 years, as it has in the 15 years I've had it.
So I was surprised to see several other rifles with serial numbers right justified beneath the Remington "o". I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with it now, even though I was always leaning toward that view. In any case, here's Remington SN 4 for you consideration:
http://photos.imageevent.com/ricklar...e/PICT0948.JPG
i love it ,all the nay sayers are speechless.---charles
lets see the rest of the rifle.