correct matching scope for my izhevsk 91/30

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06-13-2012, 12:58 AM
Tango89

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Originally Posted by jjjxlr8

Very convincing to who?

haha no I'm not that way inclined, I'm a hoarder

I bought this rifle when I was 17 and only after an afghan deployment have the money to turn it into what I originally wanted

I was talking more about the gap between the stock and barrel, i've heard people cork it to improve accuracy but mine doesn't have a gap...

Thinking about buying this one

PU 91/30 scope for sniper Mosin Nagant 91/30 1943

Made by Factory #297 NKV Yoshkar-Ola in 1943, #4318485. It has the original rifle and scope serial number on the mount but I'd rather use a repro mount because I doubt the zero for the original rifle is the same as mine. Plus the scope looks in good nick and doesn't have any post war refurbishing marks

Also what process did the old russian gunsmiths use to polish the receiver? I'm considering if this is a worthwhile task...
06-13-2012, 06:13 AM
Tango89

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managed to take a better photo of the receiver, definitely looks like a "3C" starting

wish someone kept a record of what that "8" was
06-13-2012, 07:36 AM
mrtank

I would bet it is a mark that was used during a refurbishment. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...912#post739912 another example of a lazy 8 on a Mosin, this time a Tula m44 on hex receiver.

One of the Ukrainian make PU replica scopes http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIAN-MOSI...item231e4baf87 And another one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOVIET-RUSSI...item4166e86915

Polishing the receiver to me wouldn't be worth while. It would be a lot of work for not much in return. Could instead work on the trigger, and the bolt
06-13-2012, 04:50 PM
jjjxlr8

I wasn't trying to imply that you were intending to cheat someone. I just meant that serious (or even casual collectors like myself) who collect genuine PU snipers will be able to tell the difference. There are many small details that are unique to the snipers when compared to a regular infantry rifle.

Don't waste your time polishing the receiver and barrel shank. It will look better left as is, IMO.

Here's a '43 Izhevsk PU sniper for comparison. sorry for the poor photo, but you can see the smooth surface with no coarse turning marks.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_2703-1.jpg

Here's a picture of the scope serial number from the same rifle...
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...IMG_2709-1.jpg
06-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Patrick Chadwick

Numbering clarified

Guys, just look slowly at the 1943 (the mark is actually 1943 with a cyrillic "G" tagged on)
Look at the 3.
Now look at the supposed 3C1217
Note how the "3" is strongly curved.
It is NOT a 3, but a cyrillic "Z" (as in "zoo")

SO the romanized version would actually be ZS1217

Which makes it a plausible number.

QED (I think)

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Patrick
06-13-2012, 05:40 PM
Patrick Chadwick

Scope zeroing is individual optimization

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Originally Posted by Teggy

but I'd rather use a repro mount because I doubt the zero for the original rifle is the same as mine.

I notice that this scope is no longer listed (did you buy it?).
Anyway, as far as the zero is concerned, what makes you think that a repro is zeroed for your rifle?
They all have to be zeroed, if for no other reason than that you will probably not be using the same ammo as way back when. And will you be using a sling, or a sandbag? If you want to get the ultimate out of the rifle (which might well be sub-MOA accuracy at 100 yards) then these little things make a noticeable difference - even the way you hold it.

So it does not matter what scope you buy. You will have to zero it on your rifle, with your ammo, with you shooting.

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Patrick
06-13-2012, 06:17 PM
Patrick Chadwick

I just took a look at Ivan the Terrible. The date is also 1943 with a cyrillic "G" (looks like an "r"). As is the case for the other two Mosins in this thread. Is that just a coincidence? Or where all 1943s marked wth the "r". And what does the "r" signify?
06-13-2012, 09:33 PM
jjjxlr8

The "r" is the abbreviation for the Russian word "god." Which means "year."
06-13-2012, 10:37 PM
mrtank

Thanks Patric I missed that Z. I have a 43 and a 42 Izhevsk ex-snipers that are missing the r.
06-14-2012, 02:42 AM
Tango89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick

I notice that this scope is no longer listed (did you buy it?).
Anyway, as far as the zero is concerned, what makes you think that a repro is zeroed for your rifle?

Yes I bought it, sorry should of elaborated. The original scope mount would of all ready been ground off for the zero of the old rifle, which would make it difficult to zero for another, but a repro will have all the metal still there, which means it will be easier to zero for mine. That's to my understanding as far as my knowledge goes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick

Note how the "3" is strongly curved.
It is NOT a 3, but a cyrillic "Z" (as in "zoo")

ah that explains it, thanks! never noticed that

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjjxlr8

I wasn't trying to imply that you were intending to cheat someone. I just meant that serious (or even casual collectors like myself) who collect genuine PU snipers will be able to tell the difference. There are many small details that are unique to the snipers when compared to a regular infantry rifle.

haha don't worry I know what you meant, I've seen the vast number of mosin PU fakes but they haven't fooled me and i'm rather new to this. But to me they just look dogey and poorly made, I plan to refurbish this myself, and I wouldn't do that to an original (no i'm not touching the original scope, it's all ready in good condition so i'm matching the condition of the rifle to the scope)

all it all it should be a fun project and i'm learning so much about these rifles along the way :)

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