For my money the Princess Juliana Carbine wins the prize (I've got No.5's and M38s and M44s). 8mm mauser out of an 18" tube. Guaranteed to clear the adjacent 3 shooting position on either side of you at the range.
Wish I still had mine.
Not mine but a good pic.
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Uniforms, Guns, helmets, battlefield archeology</a></blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_2"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 10:46 AM</div> <span class="username">villiers</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">No louder´n my Gebirgsjäger Mauser 33/40 (or any other short military carbine).</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_3"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 01:27 PM</div> <span class="username">John Sukey (Deceased)</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">I heard of one mouser carbine that was actualy REJECTED by the german cavalry because the barrel was so short that the noise was deafening.</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_4"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 03:37 PM</div> <span class="username">The Cruel Conservative</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">Beat me to it. I was going to mention the FR-8 as a louder-than-necessary rifle. Ditto the FR-7 and since it's a small-ring Mauser shooting 7.62NATO, it requires a good bit more chutzpah. ;)<br /> <br /> Other flash-bang rifles in my collection include the 1891 Argentine Engineers Carbine and Artillery Carbine -- 7.65x53 Mauser is ballistically equivelent to the .303 Mk.VII -- and my 1873 Seargent's Carbine .45-70Gov't. Though, it's more of a big boom than a sharp crack. With "authentic" ammo it puts out a nice puff of sulphury cloud. :)<br /> <br /> Gunzup!</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_5"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 03:45 PM</div> <span class="username">Old Schoolr</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">At some point in time didn't the army issue .45-70 ammo w/ a lighter bullet for use in the carbines?<br /> I saw someone firing a very short Mauser at the range which to me looked like a shorter version of the Yugos that Dunham's sells. The barrel was probably 18". The blast was bad even 4 or 5 benches down the line w/ my muffs on. The owner was hammering the bolt open w/ the palm of his hand. Not my idea of fun.</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_6"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 07:27 PM</div> <span class="username">steved409</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">Yes, the official trapdoor carbine round was .45/55 and a lighter weight bullet, but can't remember weight right off the top of my head---thinking somewhere around 400 gr.</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_7"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 10:09 PM</div> <span class="username">krinko</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">What do you know of pain?<br /> Paper-thin 16 3/4" barrel and 230grain Balle N.<br /> -----krinko</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_8"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-05-2009, 10:42 PM</div> <span class="username">Parashooter</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">Ouch! Balle N is bad enough in my full-size Mle. 86/93. Makes the No.5 seem like a kitten-pat by comparison. Can't imagine it in a midget Berthier.</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_9"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-06-2009, 07:11 AM</div> <span class="username">John Kepler</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">Yeah....that Berthier Carbine is another "rifleman's friend". I've fired mine exactly ONCE.....that was plenty! But then, I never expect much out of either a French car or French firearm!</blockquote> </div> </li> <!-- END TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: printthreadbit --> <li class="postbit blockbody" id="post_10"> <div class="header"> <div class="datetime">03-06-2009, 12:35 PM</div> <span class="username">Peter Laidler</span> </div> <div class="content"> <blockquote class="restore">They recoil too. I know I've mentioned this before, but when the press, bless 'em, were at Warminster for a demonstration of the new shorty/carbine version of the SA80..., for shortarses and tank crews etc, we laid on a bit of a shoot for them. On the line-up was the usual showing of carbines. From a Sten gun, M1 .30 carbine, M4 carbine etc etc and at the end of the line, another little short carbine with a flash eliminator.<br /> <br /> They all took their places and passed along the line, shooting quite merrily at the little friendly targets with the little friendly carbines. That is until one little girly press lady got her hands on the No5 and fired it at the target. The rifle ROARED, the flash exploded from the muzzle as it recoiled back. Well, she was told to grip it tight and hold on but it did buck and recoil a tad more than she expected, specially after the M1 carbine<br /> <br /> Now I've been in the Army, and an Armourer for just a couple of years but that day I learned a few more 'appropriate' words. A good time was had by all. 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