Estate find Vintage Ammunition - PIC HEAVY

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Originally Posted by Eaglelord17

Very nice find. I love the variety

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Thanks! Any input, or help identifying this stuff would be much appreciated.

1 is 6.5x50sr Japanese, and 6.5x52 Carcano, Norma still makes both.

4 is 7.35x51 Carcano

7 is 7.63 Mauser, also known as 7.63x25. It is meant for the C96 Broomhandle primarily

8 is 7.62 Nagant, used in the 1895 Nagant Revolver

9 is 8mm Steyr used in the M1907 Austrian Hungarian pistol

Photos 1,2 and 3 of the last group look like 7.92x57 also known as 8mm Mauser.

Photos 9 and 10 of the last group are 8x56r (3rd and 4th last from the bottom).

Picture #10 is a box for 7.65 French Long. #14 is a picture of three rounds of the same cartridge. The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.

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Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill

Picture #10 is a box for 7.65 French Long. #14 is a picture of three rounds of the same cartridge. The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.

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They are only forbidden by dealers to import, manufacture, or sell, not individual citizens/collectors.

From what I've read, a few states still have laws forbidding them. But mostly if used in a crime, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill

The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.

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I just read the wiki for a quick primer of knowledge on these rounds, and remember the term from movies, when I was younger, perhaps one of the Lethal Weapon series?

As a weapons and firearm knowledgeable adult I know that applying teflon alone does not an AP round make. The teflon ban is a typical misunderstanding of firearms technology, to penetrate anything, including armour, one only needs to rely on physics, typically a small, dense projectile, with a lot of velocity is the direction to go. For example, with the LAV III, 25 X 137mm Bushmaster Cannon, our Sabot rounds (APDS-T) are a 25mm diameter discarding sabot with a tungsten dart, which is about the same diameter as a common pencil, that is what is fired to deal with Light Armored Vehicles.

I understand the concern with preserving the lives of police and similar services but to attribute the danger to the stuff that plumbers use to seal pipe joints, or flying pans use to keep eggs from sticking is borderline hilarious.

The KTW rounds are a neat find, all this time I thought the "cop killer" termed ammunition was a creation of movie fantasy.

Learn something new every day!