An interesting legal issue to ponder....

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Originally Posted by mrclark303

Good grief, what an absolute minefield!

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It's not as bad as it sounds. Pennsylvania is bordered by six states. I haven't been in New York in at least 5 years. I haven't been in Ohio in over 30 years. New Jersey I average 2-3 trips per year, all in the summer, Maryland about the same and West Virginia maybe once a year. Delaware is the only one I go to on a more regular basis and that's because A) no sales tax and B) a Cabelas is there. The only two that I've been in that I've bought firearms related materials is Maryland and Delaware and neither has any issues selling long guns to out of state individuals. I don't conceal carry so I don't have to worry about crossing state lines. About 30 states have reciprocating carry laws meaning they honor Pennsylvania's carry laws. New York and New Jersey are two that don't, possibly Maryland also, not sure. They are trying to get this passed Federally so no state can prevent someone else from carrying if they have a license.

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Originally Posted by mrclark303

My question is this, if D&B convert these to straight pull, wouldn't they still legally speaking, be Sec5 after the changes in classification?

Or......if converted prior to the ban, would they be exempt from that rule and remain under Sec1?

My assumption would be that they would still automatically shift to Sec 5 because it's still effectively and legally the same firearm, reciver, barrel etc.

Unlike the SP L1A1's, Garands etc, that are built from kits with new unported barrels.

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That would also be my understanding of the law as well.

Once Sect 5, always Sect 5 as the saying goes.

Do they not "grandfather" things in the UK?

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

It's not as bad as it sounds. Pennsylvania is bordered by six states. I haven't been in New York in at least 5 years. I haven't been in Ohio in over 30 years. New Jersey I average 2-3 trips per year, all in the summer, Maryland about the same and West Virginia maybe once a year. Delaware is the only one I go to on a more regular basis and that's because A) no sales tax and B) a Cabelas is there. The only two that I've been in that I've bought firearms related materials is Maryland and Delaware and neither has any issues selling long guns to out of state individuals. I don't conceal carry so I don't have to worry about crossing state lines. About 30 states have reciprocating carry laws meaning they honor Pennsylvania's carry laws. New York and New Jersey are two that don't, possibly Maryland also, not sure. They are trying to get this passed Federally so no state can prevent someone else from carrying if they have a license.

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I suppose its such a different system for us here in the UK with effectively one single legal system covering Britain, with some local legislation for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Wales also has its own Parliament, but as far as I am aware follow English law in virtually everything.

There are however some differences, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands for instance, they set their own laws (much to governmental annoyance) and you can still possess Semi Automatic firearms and handguns there.

Also, in Northern Island you can still hold handguns, this caveat was made in the province due to the amount of people who had to hold firearms for personal defence during the troubles, its still in force and probably will be for a good while yet.

Long may their independent spirit and freedoms of these areas flourish too ....:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

Do they not "grandfather" things in the UK?

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No, they do not.

John,

As the rifle is still Section one until they change the spec then can't see an issue with them turning them in to SP, but when you look at it regarding price I would think it would be best to get paid out on them and buy a AK type of SP.

I wonder if Southern Gun is offering any service for the lever release 9mm's ? Its a shame regarding them as they are fun to shoot, the Mars rifle probably would of gotten away with its system had it not been for Pete Moores video on You tube.........

We have, in most of Australia, "appearance laws".

A bit like putting a "Spirit of Ecstasy" on a clapped out Austin Princess. By "their" laws, you now own a Rolls Royce.

Bolt-action "tube rifles" are on the forthcoming hit list.

Well if 51 states can't sing off the same songsheet, with all the NRA support and the "Right to Bear Arms" what chance have we in Blighty!!

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Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz

We have, in most of Australia, "appearance laws".

A bit like putting a "Spirit of Ecstasy" on a clapped out Austin Princess. By "their" laws, you now own a Rolls Royce.

Bolt-action "tube rifles" are on the forthcoming hit list.

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Bruce, really sorry your Government is stuffing you again too!

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

Well if 51 states can't sing off the same songsheet, with all the NRA support and the "Right to Bear Arms" what chance have we in Blighty!!

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Too true Gil, just wait for the public outrage and horror after the BBC screen their Sec58, lethal antique weapons on our streets exposé on Monday night!

Wave bye bye to the obsolete calibre list, at least all the centre fire pistol calibres in the current list..... At least.