Stovepiping Glock could have gotten this cop killed in gunfight

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Originally Posted by MEHavey

How does a magazine cause a stovepipe?

I wouldn't think it even comes into play during the brutally-fast/high-inertia extraction process where the ejector is supposed to kick it the rest of the way out.

I do agree with several posters above. The Glock is so relatively light that limp wristing will result in the slide to have little mass to anchor itself against in moving back, and ejection jams occur since timing is thrown off.

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Mr. Havey,
As my first, and still only, semi-auto pistol, I acquired a Walther P1 a few years ago; it's the post-war successor to the P-38. It arrived in brand new condition but when I fired it, it quickly, repeatedly jammed. the magzines were equally "new".

The importer quickly sent me two or three replacement magazines, used ones, and, since then, I've had zero stove-piping occurances.

Regards

Louis, I think the point that Mr. Havey was trying to make is that there are different kinds of "jams" experienced by automatic pistols. One is a failure to feed which is most frequently associated with a defective magazine. Another is a "stovepipe" with is technically a failure to eject and is caused by an number of potential problems including: 1) a heavy recoil spring; 2) an underpowered cartridge; 3) a defective extractor or ejector; or 4) the shooter "limp wristing" the pistol. Like Mr. Havey, I have never encountered a defective magazine that caused a "stovepipe". That's not to say that I've seen every problem related to pistol malfunctions, however. I do wonder if the writer was somewhat unfamilar with firearm related terminolgy and mistakenly refered to a failure to feed "jam" as a "stovepipe". Rick

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> writer was somewhat unfamilar ...mistakenly refered to
> a failure to feed "jam" as a "stovepipe"...
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Like you, that's the only explanation I could think of Rick.
Other thoughts out there?

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Originally Posted by Rick Gushman

Louis, I think the point that Mr. Havey was trying to make is that there are different kinds of "jams" experienced by automatic pistols. One is a failure to feed which is most frequently associated with a defective magazine. Another is a "stovepipe" with is technically a failure to eject and is caused by an number of potential problems including: 1) a heavy recoil spring; 2) an underpowered cartridge; 3) a defective extractor or ejector; or 4) the shooter "limp wristing" the pistol. Like Mr. Havey, I have never encountered a defective magazine that caused a "stovepipe". That's not to say that I've seen every problem related to pistol malfunctions, however. I do wonder if the writer was somewhat unfamilar with firearm related terminolgy and mistakenly refered to a failure to feed "jam" as a "stovepipe". Rick

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Thanks for responding. I should have mentioned that all of those jams included stovepiping. For a revolver guy like me, it was very unexpected and frustrating; my revolvers always go Bang! courtesy of Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
Regards,