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But we got the meaning of it. Otherwise you would have seen a stream of out-of-state license plates in the area......
Phil
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Originally Posted by Griff Murphey
Griff, I recall reading two posts in the last six months of carbine owners who stated that they had suffered broken extractors on the steel cases... now, I do frequent about 6 boards and I am the 1st to say that I can not remember the names of the posters, so everyone PLEASE don't flame my old senile memory. Yes, it could have been caused by the steel cases or those extractors could have been worn in the first place. Yes, I do remember reading somewhere that in WWII someone tried using steel to save on brass, but I seem to remember the article mentioned larger guns, like artillery and ship guns (????).. sorry, senile attack again.
My hesitation in using steel cases comes from several points -
1) the carbine bolt was developed and tested (including hardening testing) to a standard for the softer brass cases. I do subscribe to the belief that the Russian's AK-47 standard of firearms production (and its ammo) is a bit diiferent than our American standards.
2) Several close friends who have shot some of the wolf products stated that the lacquir coating and dirty powder does make a mess of things.
3) I don't want to waste my ammo funds on buying ammo whose cases I can not reload (I can reload .30 carbine soft points for $11.00 a box of 50).
4) War babys are at least 64 years old and saw some hard service at times. I want mine to last long enough to pass on to grandkids and their grandkids. Why take an unnecessary chance on a particular ammo when other options are still available?
Personal choice, not for everyone... but thats why America is great!
Phil441,
Thanks for that information. Appreciate it.
Tim
The idea of steel cased ammo in the carbine is not over all a good one. The carbine was never designed for a steel case. The extractors do chip and break on brass cased ammo and it's softer then steel. The military did experiment and then produce steel cased 30 carbine ammo BUT because of problems with it they made it secondary use only. Not for use in combat and only for training in the US. The Marines didn't even approve it for training till 1946. The best thing is to not use it if at all possible and if you do then you should have a type 3 extractor in your bolt and another one as a spare. The new president of Russia about 6 months ago signed an order to remove all quality control from the production of all exported ammo made in Russia. This is to speed up production lines as the Russians have some huge contracts for ammo from several countries so anything being made there has no inspection process what so ever and includes all Russian made ammo coming into the US too. This information comes from the US State Dept. and was sent out to all Federal agencies to inform their own people who might use new Russian made ammo as a warning. So buyer beware.
Found some Federal American Eagle for $18.95 a box last month. Of course when I walked out the shelf was empty! :) Manager said they might have more coming in later this month.
BTW: Montgomery, AL.
IMHO that Federal American Eagle ammo is good stuff. Couple of years ago I could get it for $14 box. My carbines shoot well with it. When I went to buy more recently it was $25/box:(...and it sold out at that price.
In my area of Northern Ohio the local Wally worlds do have some .30 carbine.
$48.50 abox I had one other source for a while of S&B for $24.50. I finally got my CMP order of 500 rounds. What I shoot I reload and we developed a nice hard cast bullet that shoots real well. We took a Lee C-312-155 2R 7.62X39 155 grain mold and milled it down to the bottom of the last gas check groove to make it approx 121 grains and I size them to .308 and it shoots real well. Not much of a lube groove left so you might want to tumble lube them instead. At 50 I kept 12 of 15 in a 3" circle with no feed or extraction problems.
Sportsman's Guide has S & B available for order at $19.47 ($18.50 if you are a member of their Buyer's Club) a box, supposedly available for delivery July 20. http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/....aspx?a=148320
I would order some but I already have gobs of it (some of it ordered from Sportsman's Guide, some from Cabela's). It's excellent ammo.
Here in Nevada most ammo is getting tough to come by. Wanted a box of CCI large rifle primers, still can't find any. Guess I have enough ammo stored, but this shortage has got me to stop most target trips. Local Walmart in Carson has been out of .22 for some time. When the 9mm comes in, it lasts a hour on the shelf. Lesson learned by all of this is to keep more reloading supplies in stock. Can't help but wonder when the shortages are going to end.
Chris
All calibers are starting to get inb short supply here on Long Island N.Y. The walmarts in this county do not even sell ammo. Waiting for my case of Agula to come from CMP so i can shoot my carbine.