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I guess my problem is that I bought my first guns when all that was needed was the money to pay for them. I personally think what needs to be done is to find out why this dealer can sell to Alabamians and there is no problem, but when they go to NY they wind up next to dead body's. It is a mystery.
Bob
The lawyer making a statement saying that his client has been selling guns since 2007 and the feds are just making an issue of this stuff now. What was the point of that? So the cops didn't bust this guy right after he committed the lawbreaking so he's off the hook? What is this lawyer nine years old?Quote:
seems apparent that the poor guy has a nit wit for an attorney.
Would think less than a couple of years for the feds to build a decent case of evidence against some wrongdoer is reasonable.
Well . . . almost . . . Even back in 1962, there was paperwork to complete. I would take scissors and cut out the little coupon sized form at the back of my father's American Legion magazine. From Stalingrad to Normandy the German KAR98 Mauser Rifle $14.95 with $5.00 shipping via U.S. Mail parcel post.Quote:
I bought my first guns when all that was needed was the money to pay for them
Form questions included . . . Name . . .Address . . .City . . State . . . Zone
Number of Mauser rifles wanted. After that, things got serious . . . A person was required to check the tiny box next to a YES or NO answer. This was crucial!
First question . . . Are you over the age 21? YES!!! (though I was really age 15)
Second question . . . Are you Insane? uuuuhhhh NO!!!
That was it . . . Into the envelope went the little form along with a Money Order gotten from the corner store for $19.95 in full payment. Would mail the all important article up the street on a telephone pole mounted postal box in time for the 4:30 p.m. daily pickup.
Within a month or less . . . the mailman would leave a long box on the front porch. There was the great bolt action German WW2 Mauser.
In my case it was an Enfield No.5 Carbine....and I was JUST 14 (though on the flip-side, my Dad knew ALL about it....I wasn't "flying solo"!)! Mowed lawns all summer and helped my Dad paint the house to get the scratch. Ah yes....the "Olde Days" of buying from Klein's in Chicago! BTW, I've STILL got that Enfield!
Some of thse questions are just plain silly
Have you ever renounced your citizenship? DUH:madsmile:
John K. "burning bush"? I think that is Jewish history, not Christian. Yes, I know one follows the other. Anyway I think my statement is from the Bible. If not I think it does make sense, to have his "son die for man's sins", he had to "set it up", so to speak. If nothing else the Bible is history.
To begin....it ISN'T history, it's theology....words mean things and the two are no-where NEAR the same thing. If you insist on it being history, then you have to play by historical rules, meaning that there has to be things like written records, multiple sources and corroboration. There are five and only five figures mentioned in the Bible that have historical corroboration....Ramses II, King Nebakanezer, King Herrod, Caesar Augustus, and Emperor Tiberius...the rest have the same historical validity as Obewan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, and Princess Leia! History relies on records and documents....theology requires faith!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Theologically, the only time God spoke directly to Man after the Garden was to Moses via a Burning Bush. Got it? Oh, and if you read your Bible....it wasn't God that corrupted Judas....it was Satan, remember him?
press account excerted from al.com:
"Both Mobile police and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives participated in the raid.
By Thursday afternoon, McCoy, of Bay Minette, pleaded not guilty to a nine-count indictment in U.S. District Court.
According to the indictment, McCoy sold a Saiga 12-gauge semi-automatic shotgun on April 11 to a person who had been convicted of a felony. That buyer, an informant working with the government, is not named in the indictment.
McCoy also failed to note the buyer's name, age and address on forms that licensed gun dealers are required to fill out, according to the indictment.
The indictment listed three other transactions in which McCoy is accused of failing to fill out required forms. They were:
■May 1, 2007, on the sale of a Zastava Model M70 rifle. A woman was falsely listed as the buyer.
■June 14, 2007, on the sale of a Saiga 7.62 x 39-caliber rifle. The same woman was listed as the buyer when she was not.
■June 27, 2007, on the sale of a Mossberg 12-gauge pistol grip shotgun. The same woman was falsely listed as the buyer.
McCoy's attorney, Robert F. "Cowboy Bob" Clark, said his client is innocent. He said federal investigators targeted Larry's Gun Shop and other firearms dealers.
"They set him up," Clark said.
He suggested that purchasers used "straw buyers" -- without McCoy's knowledge -- to make the transactions.
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Note: Multiple offenses dating back to 2007. I thought this guy just opened up in 2007?? Sounds like the controlled buy was just the icing on the cake. i wouyld be very interesting to know for example: Did NCIS go tilt and Larry deliver the piece(on the controlled buy) anyway? What's his explantation for not filling out the 4473's?
I think "Cowboy Bob" will have his work cut out for him.
Regards,
Jim
The man is a menace.
No, he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, a right enjoyed by all US citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homer03
The facts are thus:
- He is charged with one count of transferring a firearm to a prohibited person, four counts of sale and delivery of firearms without making required records and four counts of making a false entry in records.
- Even though he has not been convicted of any offense and he retains his FFL, he is not allowed to possess or come into close proximity with firearms. This means he cannot go to work and could not go home until all of his firearms were removed.
- Larry and his wife were ordered by the lead ATF agent in the raid that they were not allowed to purchase new inventory or previously-owned firearms for resale.(I'm not even sure that this is legal.)
- His business is crippled at a time when considerable funds will be needed for his legal defense.
I'll avoid the temptation of speculating as to the ulterior motives of this investigation, but I will say that I wouldn't wish what has happened to my father on anyone.
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