CC members called Elitists

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Originally Posted by BrianQ

In the 357 published Newsletters there is not a singe chart that dates serial numbers of completed carbines. So the CC has nothing of that nature to openly publish.

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Oh boy, here we go again.

Brian, do you have dates for serial numbers? If so, would you like to share them with the site and maybe put up a sticky with them? TIA

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Originally Posted by Tired Retired

I recommend that the Carbine Club openly publish (and take credit for) the date tables the Club has assembled. You can do that via a locked PDF form, to include the link and info on the PDF form. It’s advertisement - not a freebie because its marked as coming from the Club. It lets everyone see what kind of info is available by joining the club and since it is a locked PDF the Club’s info is forever visible on the page. It will make the newbies hungry to become collectors and encourage people to join for even more info.

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TR,

A little off topic:

There is no such thing as a permanently locked .pdf file.
I have to unlock them all the time for editing (for legitimate purposes).
You don't need a flak jacket, this was just for informational purposes. :thup:

When a receiver was stamped and when the rest of the carbine was completed can leave a gray area as per date of completion/acceptance.
Making actual production dates hard to nail down.
Proving ground tests have been very helpfull in this area.
I'm happy to just know what year !

I agree with Charlie, found out a while back when I thought I was providing good information to to a question asked on production dates. I was using "The M1 Carbine Owner's Guide by Larry L. Ruth with Scott A. Duff" as a reference. I was corrected soon as I posted my reply. Learned a lesson, have not done it since.

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Originally Posted by painter777

When a receiver was stamped and when the rest of the carbine was completed can leave a gray area as per date of completion/acceptance.
Making actual production dates hard to nail down.
Proving ground tests have been very helpfull in this area.
I'm happy to just know what year !

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Charlie,

The only thing that is for sure is that any carbine could not have been produced before its barrel date, if there is a barrel date.

The Carbine Club's new list is stricly production quantities, not production dates.

We get lucky being able to date some after seeing the Aberdeen tests. Thankfully some of those results have been posted by BrianQ on occasion.
Other than that when you figure in re-worked, tranfer, sub contract receivers, serial number over runs, serial numbers being used out of sequence ETC... To me trying to date a carbine is opening up a can of hurt.
Look at all the work that went in to trying to figure out Underwood during the 2 mil block !!

Good Day to y'all,
Charlie

I would love to spend 3 months just digging through the national archives. While it would not provide weapon manufactur dates, it would be neat to run across any records of individual units showing receipt and issue of weapons. Just an added thought...

I know for sure my carbines were made sometime between 1942 to 1945. That is more than I know about a lot of other guns I own.

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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger

Brian, do you have dates for serial numbers? If so, would you like to share them with the site and maybe put up a sticky with them? TIA

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Bill, I think it ain't gonna happen.

Maybe someday, but no time soon.

At this point, I'm not gonna go any further with this reply lest another war gets started.

Regards, Phil