I assume you mean labor unions? What do they have to do with our jobs going overseas?
I assume you mean labor unions? What do they have to do with our jobs going overseas?
Yes i mean labor unions, They were needed back in the 20s and 30s, but today they are like buggy whip's, they are no longer of any use, this country has many labor law's that protect the workers, the unions feel that some one with little training that work's on an assy. line putting hub caps on a car should make outrageous wages and his hosp. insur. be paid by his employer and that the members will have a job for life or they will grab up their little sign's saying honk if you like unions "were on strike." they have run the price of making anything so high that co's have to go out of this country to stay in busness. the union member's never step back and take a look at the nice home they live or the two or three cars setting in the drive way... that's auto. suposed to be there "because they belong to the union", and they pay their due's....I have nothing agenst the hard working people of this country, it's the due's hungry labor unions that's got this country were it is today.
Just a few mo's ago the teacher's union got their underware in a wad because their health insur. co. was not going to pay for their viagra any more.
I would love to go on, but i've taking up enough space, i think you get the idea.
Please buy American, if their's anything made here anymore. JMHO.
Believe it or not, I bet there are more Canadian/American made Goods at Walmarts across Canada then in Canadian Tire stores.
Walmart, although they stock many cheap brands that are imported from China, they also sell a lot of domestic goods right beside the imported brands.
From Furniture, to Dishes, to Sporting Goods, there are domestic goods at Walmart. I bought my plates, some cookware and cups from Walmart that were domestic (Canadian or American) production, had to go elsewhere for the fork/knife/spoon set, but I did buy made in Spain knives from Walmart too.
As for appliances, go to Sears, they stock a LARGE assortment of any appliance you want in either a made in USA or made in Canada variety, not including their "Assembled in" Canada or the US appliances either.
Believe it or not, there are a ton of loop holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
- If your first is a girl your allowed to have a 2nd child on the condition it is born no sooner then 3 years later.
- If you are a single child, and your spouse is also a single child, your allowed 2 children.
- If your a disabled serviceman, then your allowed 2 children.
- If your child is severely disabled, or dies, your allowed another child.
- If your a ethinic minority (ie non-Han or approx 8% of their population) your allowed 2 kids in urban areas, and up to 4 kids in rural areas.
- If your Han and living in a rural area your allowed 2 Children.
- etc.
If you can afford it you can pay a social maintenance fee to have another kid if none of the loop holes allow. Which is approximately equal to the average disposable income of the region your in, of the year your child was born. Anywhere from 450$ to 1000$ (CAD) for 2005, depending if rural or urban dweller.
The Chinese children per family rate therefor is actually right now at approximately 1.8.
Dimitri
Wonder what happens when an ''accidental'' child comes along and it exceeds the families allowable limit and no loophole covers it? I've heard rumors but find them hard to believe.
You pay a fine if no loop hole covers it. And there is no jail time for it either.
If you don't pay the fine you might face a lack of promotions/raises or bonuses. But they back charge the fee anyways, so say you didn't take the child to a hospital or to a school, you have a few years till you need to send them to school to save up the money before you get into trouble.
And the fine is based on average disposable income of the region you live in based on the year the child was born. So if the average person in your area makes say 3,000$ a year, and the cost of living in that region is 2,000$ a year, the max fine for that area will be 1,000$ for that child.
Dimitri
Strange I was in a city of MILLIONS and everyone I inquired about (every worker, employee, waitress, waiter et all) or talked to only had one child....the reality is they are short of workers and the loop holes may exist on paper but not in reality for the great majority of Chinese.
A large number of the men were single.
The Chinese birth rate is actually 1.21% and has been under 1.4% for many years and I will stick to my statement that they are running out of people to work and the birth rate is in more trouble from the lack of females.
A society can not sustain its existance with a birth rate of 1.21% (the minimum requirement if 2.11%) the most optomistic figures put the birth rate at 1.4% however no one thinks those figures are correct. The one child family and sex-specific abortions are going to eliminate millions of Chinese men from ever having a wife which just exacerbates the problem. Without a birth rate of 2.11% the balance needs to be made up by immigration and we all know that mainland China is not really into immigration.
In 2005 there were 119 males born for every 100 females, and in some areas the rate was 130 to 100 females. Do the math, it is not working and it is going to be a bigger disaster in another 32 years.
They started the policy in 1979 and after 32 years it is a major problem and what they publish as to how many children you are allowed and what is reality in China are two different things. The Gov't wants to appear to be more "family friendly" but it is all a smoke screen.
In regard to the cost of having two children, well how about the latest story that was published in the last couple of weeks...second child, female...fine 232,400.00 CNY.... $35,000.00 Canadian.
IN THIS country the farmers had large families to do the work. Now they have a GPS guided John Deere. Go to the Corn Belt and watch. gary
Don't have to go that far, there's thousands of them right here in S.C.
And for many Chinese, having more then one kid since pre-one child policy was considered too much. The brithrate in the early 1970's was lower then it is today in China, due to the fact that for many people, having a child was considered a burden.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
Funny thing is, for many people in Canada and the US, like other developed countries, people think having kids is too much of a burden so they stopped having them. We just labelled them as "career" people, but the fact remains.
A society's self sustainability depends on many factors, not just brith rate. Take Canada for example, not only do we have a LOWER brith rate then China, we also have a higher death rate. In the end, only immegration helps us keep up alittle. And not by much considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
The Chinese population increases by 0.494% a year, (including all factors), or 6.57 million people a year, where as the Canadian population is at 0.804% or a mere 270 thousand people.
I would like to see that high number from somewhere factual, CIA WFB lists:Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
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- at birth: 1.14 male(s)/female
- under 15 years: 1.17 male(s)/female
- 15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
- 65 years and over: 0.93 male(s)/female
- total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2010 est.)
The girlfriend/fiance, comes from a family of 5 childern (born in China), and her older siblings already have multipul kids each. So I really don't know what kind of smoke screen your talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
I'd love to see that in writting, however my bet is that that was more about the curruption of fines for multipul kids then anything. Then again there are Chinese making 60+ thousand USD a year in China, so a 35,000$ fine for some may be appropriate. Too many variables without factual numbers and reasons for why that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
Dimitri
Dmitri..all the numbers I quoted were found by searching the internet. Regardless of what anyone thinks the problem is the Chinese Gov't telling you how many children you are allowed to have. It is wrong and nothing they can say or do will every make it right.
People need to be able to determine how large their family will be, not the gov't and that is the problem of living in China when the Gov't goes so far as to control everything you do.
The story of the fine was on the internet in a news story a week or so ago. Regardless whether the fine was due to corruption or not the bottom line is it was still imposed.
I guess if China is such a wonderful place to live why was there such a migration of citizens from Hong Kong to Canada in the years before China took over, I am guessing it was because they all knew what a bunch of BS was imposed on the population in mainland China and were scared spitless it would happen in HK.
Heck my son's friends from university (Mainland Chinese studying here) told me the Gov't even lies to the world what the total population actually is. These two young men were from very privledged families with buckets of money with well connected parents, they were in the position of knowledge that most do not have.
There are some large families, unfortunately the birth rate of 1.21% proves there are very few large families nowadays.