Ode to the lowly M1 Carbine...

It's simple, the term "Ball ammo" isn't a civilian term. It's military. We had to order ammo according to the description. It's not a guess. It's a fact. It IS a definitive answer. The reason others will support me is because It's correct.

When you discuss propellant, that's different. Ammo isn't ordered according to propellant.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Ball refers to the type of bullet. Ball, tracer, incendiary and so on.

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Correct. Ball ammunition, referring to a standard FMJ round, didn't matter what caliber small arm. Spent time as MP Company Ammunition NCO and Range NCO.

Believe me, I'm not trying to be argumentative -- just trying to understand. If Ball refers to FMJ, then why this labeling?
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The term ''ball'', as used by the military in reference to a projectiles fired by small arms, is a hold over from the old days when a standard round of ammunition consisted of a charge of powder and a single round lead ball. The modern use of the term ball is synonymous for standard and the standard bullet for the .22LR round is a 40 grain lead round nose.

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Originally Posted by vintage hunter

is a hold over from the old days when a standard round of ammunition consisted of a charge of powder and a single round lead ball.

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I said that...and the marking on the box of .22 stating ball is correct. As in not tracer or AP... And FMJ is ball and so is a ball. Powder still doesn't have anything to do with it. You can't argue yourself into changing facts.

Military Ball ammunition can use either extruded or ball powders or flake powder.

LC M2 ball (30.06) uses IMR 4895, an extruded "stick" powder.
lc m2 ball ammunition picture - Google Search

M855 ball (5.56mm) uses WC 844, a ball powder.

M882 ball (9mm) uses HPC 26, a flake powder

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Originally Posted by DaveHH

...I Used it for decades as a camp gun. It was powerful enough to take out a bear or cougar to protect the kids and a great deterrent for prowling humans. They remain my favorite weapon to shoot to this day. I guess a Ruger mini 14 might be close, but the carbine is more accurate and lighter yet. They are a timeless example of American industrial art that will never be made again. We are lucky to have a few of the 6M they made.

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Least someone say they are not powerful enough to kill a bear...One of my favorite M1 Carbine pictures taken in Alaska in the 1950s or 1960s... Personally, I would want something a little bigger, but it can do the job in a pinch, especially for a smaller black bear.

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