I knew you guys were pretty tough, but, I can't imagine going out shooting in the temps you've all been talking about. I don't mind the low temps around here, but, what you are talking about blows my mind, guess I'm a wussy at the young age of fifty. Truly my hats off to you all, thanks for all the input, A very merry Christmas to you all and the best of health to you all for 2007-SDH