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The BATFE subscribes to “once a machine gun, always a machine gun.”

In this case, it is highly unlikely any run of the mill agent would notice that (one) there is no model designation on the receiver and (two) the serial number is in the M2 range.

However, considering it is not functionally a machine gun, I have no idea why someone would feel compelled to risk it. I value my other firearms far too highly to risk them being taken away for something as silly as possessing this unregistered machine gun.

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Originally Posted by eb in oregon

Actually you did as you suggested that someone with an M2 receiver merely had to scrub that stamping off and voilà it's no longer an M2. That you don't think that's advice doesn't change that it actually is. And scrubbed or not stamping compresses metal and by the application of the proper procedure that M2 can be read and someone would go to jail or pay a mighty big fine. If you sir want to play games with the ATF have at it but making suggestions to others to do so is pretty poor thinking.

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No, normal people (like Charlie Painter who agreed with my statement) who have an ability to ascertain information, know how to read what I wrote and know what I said do not agree with you. All hominids are not equal, which is a problem in this hobby. Don't let your emotions about being corrected about passing bad info on Carbine parts markings steer you into trashing the thread.

It's a stupid ruling by an agency that can't think critically. Them saying the receiver ring marking makes it an M2 tells the rest of the story which should mean, just remove the receiver ring stamping and reflect that the rules are obeyed. I still don't think you'll comprehend the esoteric of things like legal definitions, but everybody isn't equal in that ability.

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Originally Posted by tenOC

No, normal people (like Charlie Painter who agreed with my statement) who have an ability to ascertain information, know how to read what I wrote and know what I said do not agree with you. All hominids are not equal, which is a problem in this hobby. Don't let your emotions about being corrected about passing bad info on Carbine parts markings steer you into trashing the thread.

It's a stupid ruling by an agency that can't think critically. Them saying the receiver ring marking makes it an M2 tells the rest of the story which should mean, just remove the receiver ring stamping and reflect that the rules are obeyed. I still don't think you'll comprehend the esoteric of things like legal definitions, but everybody isn't equal in that ability.

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Your arrogance and narcissism is astounding.

Just a thought here coming from a decidedly unfriendly self loading state. Who checks? I go to ranges and see plenty of "legal" tricks for AW's. I also see plenty of non legal AW's, high capacity magazines, "evil" features in full view, the list goes on. When are you going to run into a situation where the provenance of said MG is checked? OK devils advocate here. You are on you way home, CA stop a light or sign and you get John Law talking to you. Unless you have priors, expired tags, racial profile that gets more attention, stolen plates or a really bad attitude, how is said M1/M2 going to get is SN run? It's in a locked case in your trunk (oh S, most of us have SUV's w/o trunks). OK it's in a locked case. Why is it going to get looked at? OK so it gets looked at. Even with all the big data, if it does not say STOLEN, it probably goes home with you. Yes there are going to be those in power that may get excited over a weapon in your possession, but the mere presence of anything that qualifies as a "gun" will probably override any history that says this is an MG. I'm not trying to make light of what the "regulations" say but an M* Carbine without a magazine probably does not get the third degree. Something black, and MG looking may get you a more thorough look. Who even knows what M2 means? What if it said M20? Should someone have ground off the M2? Hell no. Try not to attract attention, and you are probably not going to have and issue. You see news stories every night where someone has a bunch of weapons and ammunition. Don't we all? Keep your nose clean and head down and things like Carbines that like to run fast don't make waves.

Dave

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Originally Posted by rcathey

The BATFE subscribes to “once a machine gun, always a machine gun.”

In this case, it is highly unlikely any run of the mill agent would notice that (one) there is no model designation on the receiver and (two) the serial number is in the M2 range.

However, considering it is not functionally a machine gun, I have no idea why someone would feel compelled to risk it. I value my other firearms far too highly to risk them being taken away for something as silly as possessing this unregistered machine gun.

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Makes sense!

The best thing to do is to not even give the "average agent" even an inkling something's up, but others just can't leave it alone. I guess we'll see more incidents like several months ago on another forum where a compete idiot actually called the ATF about an obvious M2 list on GB and wanted to know if it was okay. OMG, then he defended his stance in the most idiotic way to try and prove his point, but was almost totally hammered by others who understood the situation far better. Oh and let's not forget the poster over on the CMP site who so gleefully took pride in turning guys into the ATF that had M2 parts in the carbines sent to to his repair shop... he went on to say that the ATF guys were oh so grateful for the information.

Time and time again new members to the milsurp's collecting hobby are told DO your research before and after your start! So, at what point does one leave them to their own whims and stop holding their hands? That's purely rhetorical of course, but it's also a question that will never be answered once and for all.

Y'all had to make it personal, didn't ya? Go out there and make it a great day. And don't bite each other.

Bob