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John is exactly right about the Communists opposing our entering the war against Germany. Although I didn't mention it in my first post about people who opposed us entering the war, the Communists did until Hitler invaded Russia and the Communist Party was large and politcally influential in the United States in the 1930's.
Remember that Roosevelt broke the law by aiding Britain in many ways in defiance of Congressional Neutrality legislation. He basically (and illegally) promised Churchill that the US would eventually enter the war -- keep fighting, boys!
Now, Roosevelt broke the law on numerous occasions. On this one the lawbreaking was on the side of the angels.
Perhaps I'm not a fair commentator; one of my ancestors died at Auschwitz.
Was not the neutral theory somewhat the same as today. Aid the side to keep the status even. Russia has equiped one side, we equip the other. At times it is equip both sides to keep the status even with arms. Example, Isreal and Egypt. Now it is helping Iraq to keep Iran out. Just a thought anyway.
You cannot compare "today's" environment with the World War 2 years. During WW2, the US was more self-reliant than now. The people felt our way of life was threatened and joined in a common goal of defeating the Axis powers. It is interesting but during WW2, the US quickly determined that that all necessary war materiale would be manufactured in this Country rather than in foreign countries. There were just a few items (ie rubber) that had to be imported, but there were several attempts at making synthetic rubber rather than relying on foreign imports. The problem with foreign imports is that they could be stopped by the enemy. This is not the case today.
This is the reason that America was called the "Great Arsenal of Democracy" by Roosevelt. During those years, this Country was heavily industrialized, proudly using the phrase a "smokestack industry".
Sadly, today, you'd be lucky to find any smokestacks. The smokestacks are long gone deemed hazardous by the EPA. No more are most of the "tools of war" made in this country. Most of the war materiale is imported or made to foreign specifications based on UN design.
Could we win WW2 if it was fought today?? Doubtful...with the present political climate, we'd be trying to make friends with the Axis powers and subsequently bombed into submission.
Very few realize how close Hitler came to winning WW2. If several things had gone "his way", then the Nazis would have developed Nuclear fission. Coupled with the Nazis' development of rocket powered engines, we'd be in serious trouble none the less.
I think the question was could the United States of 1941 have won the war with the leadership we have today. My answer is still yes but it would have been a much harder slog.
I think it should be remembered that the response to the 911 bombings was the invasion of Afganistan. It was quick, decisive, and to this day almost nobody, including Obama will say the response wasn't appropriate.
As to the United States being able to fight World War 2 today, it isn't just the fact that our industrial capacity is so degraded. There are other issues as well. I firmly believe that any attempt at conscription would be met with massive civil disobedience.
Which past or present U.S. DoD weapons were designed by the U.N.?Quote:
Originally Posted by M1 Rifleman
The answer to your question, The U.N. Flag, an updated version of the white one.
Way too many people do not have any concept of history. Here is just one example "our industrial capacity is so degraded." Hello??
Our "industrial capacity" is about 100X what it was in the 1930's. The miracle of WWII is we built almost everything from the ground up and we did it in months not years. Aircraft, armor, jeeps, ships, munition, and logistics facilities were created from scratch.
Think about Iran and No. Korea. They have been working to develop a nuke for 20 years and haven't gotten there yet. Using 1940's technology, we did it in about 3 1/2 years! We sent men to the moon in the 1960's and no body else has done that even to this day.
But we can't do it now... because why?
Because there are three toed rats that are more important than life, liberty, and the pursuit...
Because developing and maintaining superior weapons and military forces is not politically correct...
Because the USA is the bad guy in the world. We have the highest standard of living, the best food, and the best medical system in all the world only because we have stolen these things from the rest of the world...
My America is apparently dead. Hard work and honesty is no longer rewarded. Morality has descended into the abyss. Love and marriage no longer go together... It is OK to lie cheat and steal because everybody does it... A BJ is not sex... Honey, I promise I won't...
Sorry... rant is done. Where is my Wild Turkey?
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Way too many people do not have any concept of history. Here is just one example "our industrial capacity is so degraded." Hello??
Our "industrial capacity" is about 100X what it was in the 1930's. The miracle of WWII is we built almost everything from the ground up and we did it in months not years. Aircraft, armor, jeeps, ships, munition, and logistics facilities were created from scratch.
Think about Iran and No. Korea. They have been working to develop a nuke for 20 years and haven't gotten there yet. Using 1940's technology, we did it in about 3 1/2 years! We sent men to the moon in the 1960's and no body else has done that even to this day.
But we can't do it now... because why?
Because there are three toed rats that are more important than life, liberty, and the pursuit...
Because developing and maintaining superior weapons and military forces is not politically correct...
Because the USA is the bad guy in the world. We have the highest standard of living, the best food, and the best medical system in all the world only because we have stolen these things from the rest of the world...
My America is apparently dead. Hard work and honesty is no longer rewarded. Morality has descended into the abyss. Love and marriage no longer go together... It is OK to lie cheat and steal because everybody does it... A BJ is not sex... Honey, I promise I won't...
Sorry... rant is done. Where is my Wild Turkey?
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Although its a good topic for discussion, in the world of 1941 it could not happen. Obama would be working as a menial someplace, with no chance of being elected to any public office. I think even the liberal government that we have today, had they been confronted with something as horrendous as Pearl Harbor (and they very well still might be) would have to change course and confront the enemy. The problem is that they are leading us down the path to another disaster, and part of their solution, as has been said, will be to crush civil liberties for the sake of expediency. Its been done before, but this time the restrictions will probably be permanent. Our only hope is if enough people wake up to the menace of the Left. I think if they win the upcoming midterm elections, this country will never be the same again.:surrender::bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by al b03