nominal moa

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Originally Posted by John Kepler

And that's where the fun is!

However, having said that, with nothing pejorative intended....simply stating a fact, little of what you have learned to date will do much for you in Highpower, and a better mind-set going into this is "I know nothing!", because basically, that's a pretty accurate statement-of-fact at this stage of the game (other than some basic trigger-control and possibly some position skills out of smallbore, nothing from pistol or smallbore helps you much in HP...ask me how I know!).

It's always tough in the beginning because, frankly, some of the "skill-set" you need to develop is counter-intuitive...meaning that to do the "full-Monty", it really requires a teacher/coach ("self-taught" marksmanship is in the same category as "self-taught" brain surgery!) Also, there's practice....and then there's "practice"...it has to be right to be beneficial....endless repetition of "2+2=5" isn't going to help your arithmetic skills, and it's certainly not going to teach you differential calculus! I suspect you're still shooting off a bag....eventually you'll have to/want to move up to a shooting sling and into position shooting which is where the REAL fun is at!

Imagine the fun you can have shooting that very same rifle for score at 1000 yds! It's "do-able"!

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WHAT???? You mean to tell me that 2+2 ≠ 5??? :madsmile:

I'm pretty aware that the skills are are different. The fact that I got on paper means that I do know at least some rudimentary stuff... but I also know that at this distance, with HP rifles, it's not that hard to do with the very basic stuff that I've learned shooting small-bore and pistol. Taking it beyond that is what I do want to learn.

Yep. Still shooting off a bag. I'm still VERY new at HP shooting. I've been involved in learning and teaching various sports skills over the years. I'm more than well aware that perfect practice makes perfect. No bad habits to unlearn that way. :thup:

So I limit myself intentionally... and when I can find time to get with a competent "coach" to teach me what I need to know, I'll go into it with "I'm a total Noob, how do I start" attitude. I've mostly stayed with small-bore and pistol...

I'm definitely looking forward to learning to shoot with a sling, in the various positions, and being able to take it out to 1000 yards, eventually. I don't want to "depend" upon a rest for achieving a stable shooting position.

I guess you could say that I'm not entirely a total noob in that I know that I don't know stuff... and want to learn the right way the first time.

Sounds like a plan! Have fun!

FWIW....the differences between what I thought I knew about precision shooting and what I actually did were very pointedly demonstrated to me by a cute little 14 year-old girl in pig-tails at my very first match! Well established illusions are such a b!tch to lose!

Wow on this shooting,were all the tarkets 100 yards?

Concerning a garand's accuracy, the garand was never meant to be MOA. It was designed to kill people and therefore, if it hit a man sized target, no matter the range, it was deemed acceptable. With my garands, if I hit a 6" bull at 100 yards, I feel both I and the rifle are OK.

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

Concerning a garand's accuracy, the garand was never meant to be MOA. It was designed to kill people and therefore, if it hit a man sized target, no matter the range, it was deemed acceptable. With my garands, if I hit a 6" bull at 100 yards, I feel both I and the rifle are OK.

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i shot from the bench a 6" group of eight rounds of lake city.
my problem for now is my eyes have trouble resolving the target, i'm 72.
i'm trying different colors of targets and configurations so to try to see:cool: the target at 100 yards- better.

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

Concerning a garand's accuracy, the garand was never meant to be MOA. It was designed to kill people and therefore, if it hit a man sized target, no matter the range, it was deemed acceptable. With my garands, if I hit a 6" bull at 100 yards, I feel both I and the rifle are OK.

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The rub comes in when you need that same 6" accuracy at 600 yds, and the rifle/shooter won't do it! Better to have a capability and not need it than need it and not have it!

BTW, a Garand WILL do 1.5-2 MOA with just a little work!