Acrers and acrers of surplus(does it exist?)

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Originally Posted by cafdfw

I thought some might like to see a few photos of the inside of the cab and Pullman cars on a 40's vintage train.

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Wow, and there are folks who say driving a car is difficult with all this buttons and technic toys........:surrender:
Thanks for the pics.

Regards

Gunner

I believe that the origin of those stories are largely true, but have been "embellished" with time as they have passed thru several sets of ears and mouths. They would basically come in 3 flavors. 1 Stuff that was abandonned by retreating armies and they didn't have time to blow it up. 2 Stuff that was left over at the end of hostilities and wasn't worth briging home. And finally 3 (the more interesting kind for some) stuff that was deliberately placed as a covert/clandestine weapons cache and was then forgotten about. The existence of the 1st and 2nd kinds is pretty well documented, while the existence of the 3rd kind tends to be rather sparsely documented, which is not surprising considering it "questionable" nature.

VERY few people would "need to know" the location of those "covert" caches. It wouldn't be surprising at all if some of them ended up being left behind as the people whom were aware of their existence moved on to bigger and better things in their lives. Since these would likely run afoul of more laws, regulations (both the International and domestic kind) that I can think of those people simply conveniently "forgot" about them.

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Originally Posted by Simon P

Website with pics of an old Arms Dump with various weapons from Enfields to M60s including a field of magazines.


http://www.project-x.org.uk/armsdumpindex.html

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Sure is a weird assortment of junk. In what country is the dump located.?

Regards,

Jim

The series of photos was apparently posted by some BRITISH ANTI-GUN group as their ultimate "wet dream".You know?Swords into ploughshares and all that good schitt !!

From the look of the vegatation and terrain etc as well as the selection shown it can ONLY BE VIETNAM.At the outset the Viet Minh were equipped with WWII German materiel passed down to China by Uncle Joe & Co and then as handmedowns to the Viet Minh who morphed into the Vietcong.British small arms like STENS and Brens in 9mm and 7.92mm(as well as .303") ZB's and the like and finally all the US and East Bloc small arms are ALL in evidence.

Pity isn't it ? All those lovely toys waiting to deteriorate to the point where they are beyond redemption and can be sold as scrap to the ever hungry Chinese steel mills so it can be made into export products AND SOLD TO US.

Remember how just before WWII the J.A.Pan Corp were buying ALL the scrap that they could get in the US and Canada ? Remember as well how they later were FIRING it all back at us too ??? HISTORY CAN REPEAT ITSELF Sports Fans and please do NOT forget this.JR

JR, I was under the impression that the dump was in Laos. The weapons and accessories had all been soaked with a corrosive brine and left out to rust.
There were some other pics posted of the same place, where they had set the piles on fire to speed up corrosion. It supposedly had something to do with a UN agreement. The pics are at least 10 years old, maybe even older.

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Originally Posted by cafdfw

Ron Dog,

I'd really be interested if they're using a 'Big Boy' 4-8-8-4. (I'll start saving my pennies now!)
If you can find any info, please pass it along.

Several years ago, Steven Spielberg looked into restoring the Big Boy locomotive that's been parked all my life at the Dallas Steam Museum, but the project turned out to be too expensive, even for him. :eek:

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Well, I'm not a train guy, don't know what 4-8-8-4 means. Maybe you can find out here.

UP: Cheyenne Frontier Days Special Train To Be Pulled by Legendary Union Pacific Steam Locomotive

http://cfdtrain.com/CFDTrain/Information.html

Welcome

Ok, I've been looking at photos on Google, maybe it's not a Big Boy, those things are huge! But they do have one in Cheyenne, and looks like we have one in Denver too.

BIG BOY Locomotive- 1941- Cheyenne WY on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Hi Ron,

Thanks!

BTW, the bottom link explained what 4-8-8-4 means (Copy/paste is easier than typing) ;)

"They had a 4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement, which meant they had four wheels on the leading set of "pilot" wheels which guided the engine, eight drivers, another set of eight drivers, and four wheels following which supported the rear of the locomotive."

~ Harlan

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Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick

Mmmmm??? Hold the tickets lads. As a long-term steam engine fan, I can remember that in the 70s, when steam buffs were sad about the disappearance of real locomotives, there were stories about a secret government hoard of pristine steam engines hidden away in a tunnel so that an emergency service could be provided if the country was starved of oil.
One of those "wouldn't it be nice if..." ideas that seem to turn into a legend.
And, don't forget, if a couple of million rarities really did appear - well, they wouldn't be rarities any more!

Patrick

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British Rail always disparaged this legend, (which seems more like King Arthur-style wishful thinking), pointing out that the network of water towers and coal depots necessary to make it work had long been dismantled.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...rapyeard-1.jpg

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Not all our readers will know that the pics above are of the famous Woodham Bros. scrapyard in Barry, Glamorgan. Happy to say that, in the end, the vast majority of those wrecks (213!) found a new home, although some were plundered to keep other restored locos running.

Patrick

The loco at the front is 35006 "Pacific and Orient Steam Co." now being rebuilt at Toddington, on the Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway, just in case any of you are going that way.

If you look at what is involved in reconstructing a steam locomotive, you will never complain again about not finding spares for your milsurp!
The steam guys have to cast, forge and weld just about everything from raw materials.

Patrick