First sinking of a military ship since the Belgrano in the falklands war

Interesting, slightly speculative, link:

Sinking of the Moskva: Damage Assessment - YouTube

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Originally Posted by GeeRam

Back in beginning of Feb on another forum, I posted this map, which I said I think this is probably their target to occupy. I thought they would strike a pincer from Crimea in the south and up the east side of the River Dnipro to Dnipro, and down from the north around Kharkiv and cut off the Ukraine forces in the east and Donbas......

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After they bizarre false start and push on Kyiv etc as well as stalled effort in the south, I think they will now consolidate and do close to this prediction now.
If the Russians have dropped the bridges over the Dnipro early, it will be difficult for the Ukrainians to reinforce and supply their forces in the east, and avoid them getting cut-off.

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You may be correct but I do not believe that any Ukrainian will accept any sort of "peace-deal" that involves Russia retaining any Ukrainian territory that it has seized, including Crimea.

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

You may be correct but I do not believe that any Ukrainian will accept any sort of "peace-deal" that involves Russia retaining any Ukrainian territory that it has seized, including Crimea.

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Absolutely, and I think the Russian behavior and wanton destructions and murdering of civilians has likely hardened even some of the Russian speaking Ukrainian's to be now against the Russians and any occupation, bar the few that have have already joined forces with the Russians in the very beginning.

Ukraine have to try and hold out for another 2-3 weeks in the east, until beyond May 9th, as that clearly is a red line for Pootin because of the symbolic nature of the date.

It makes infinite sense to give him what he has always wanted which is a safe working corridor down the eastern side from Crimea to Russia so he can resupply his fleet more easily and of course his yacht. That at least would save so much more unecessary civilian deaths.
Downside now is of course Turkey have restricted their movement through the straights...........interesting times!!;)

Sink the yacht. Eliminate the need. Done. :madsmile:

Bob

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

It makes infinite sense to give him what he has always wanted which is a safe working corridor down the eastern side from Crimea to Russia so he can resupply his fleet more easily and of course his yacht. That at least would save so much more unecessary civilian deaths.

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Most of his fleet was originally built in the Ukraine shipyards in Mykolaiv, and he's already lost his Black Sea Fleet flagship to the very people that built it, and they'd be delighted to have an opportunity to sink the rest of it as well. I can't see Ukraine ever now accepting being demiliterised or anything, as they are hardly ever going believe anything the Kremlin promise or say again, and nor will anyone else most likely.

Bob,
Half the population don't know he even has one......................over inflated ego maniac, spending their money, as an un-elected President, ruling by fear, all alone as an ex KGB monkey, with 007 believes and tendencies.........a dreamer, using insulting words like Nazism to justify his mistakes and kill his own people!!:madsmile:

I feel sorry for the families on either side of this conflict seeing loved ones die from stupid, arrogant leadership. The Moskva commander did the worst things in battle, first is repeatly doing the same thing over and over again thus becoming predictable, second is under estimating your enemy to get at you. Thirdly, is the failure of the crew to seal the water tight doors on the ship when entering a combat zone. There is clear evidence of this not taking place due the burn marks from the fires coming out the port holes on the port side. As Admiral Beatty said in the Battle of Jutland, "There seems to be something wrong with our fleet today."

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

It makes infinite sense to give him what he has always wanted which is a safe working corridor down the eastern side from Crimea to Russia so he can resupply his fleet more easily and of course his yacht. That at least would save so much more unecessary civilian deaths.
Downside now is of course Turkey have restricted their movement through the straights...........interesting times!!;)

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No Ukrainian would ever accept it.

History has shown that when one attempts to appease dictators by giving them a "little bit of what they want" they tend to have a nasty habit of coming back for more a little later.

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

It makes infinite sense to give him what he has always wanted

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

That at least would save so much more unecessary civilian deaths.

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