Savage No. 4 (T) Scopeless stamps?

I sometimes wonder about the 100 No4(T)s which are stated in The British Sniper by Skennerton to have been set up at BSA Shirley either before or concurrently with H&H starting their production.

Probably there is no way to identify these rifles now, and probably the chances of many of the surviving from so early in the war until now are small.

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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

Er....... What's up with it Warren? Or am I missing something? It looks like a No4T without the T (or covered by the paint) and something barred out on the fore-end - unless it's the S51 barred out. But if it is that, it LOOKS like it reads ???1.

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Scopeless No.4(T)
No T on the receiver....that we can see. (or cannot see as the case may be)
TR on butt socket....
S-51 barred out..obvious
Retake of the first picture.....A little better focus
D6 on the top of the butt socket.
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I just recently sold my Savage No4MkI*T less telescope rifle. I had just the rifle, no transit case. No T or TR markings. S51 on buttstock. Rifle SN# on buttstock tenon. No S on cutoff pad. D6E stamping on receiver just to left rear of boltway. '45 dated replacement 5 groove barrel. No "sniper swivel". Sold it on to pay some bills. Yuk.

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Originally Posted by Warren

As we are on the subject of Savage snipers, I just wanted to tug on a few coat tails regarding some markings. I noticed these markings when I pulled my Savage No.4(T) off the wall tonight and removed the rear handguard. I'd not noticed these markings before and wondered if others have them on their rifles as so little has been published on the Savage T's.
There is a "P" on the rear of the receiver behind the receiver wall on the right side. Also the P is found on the barrel along with another odd looking broad arrow of a type I have not noticed before on a No.4. Plus another marking (inspector??) that looks like a 1.
The rifle is scoped albeit mismatched, but numbered on the wrist, mount JA marked in a crest and rings with alpha labeling.
The pictures say it all....
Comments gentlemen.
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Sorry for slacking Warren. My '41 Savage T does have the Circle 1 and "P" marks like yours, but unlike "Lee Enfield" none of my other Savages (14C, 31C, 57C) do on the bolts or receivers that is visible without disassembly.

Ah, got it now Warren. The pics didn't seem to mate up with what you said. We couldn't see any sign of body pads in the photos (cropped?) so assumed that it was a 'padless' Tso to speak.