Military rifles and Ross rifles in particular.
Hi there. My collecting interest is classic sporting firearms, preferably with a New Zealand connection. Of course, I'm a typical collector, I want firearms with lots of history but in fine condition...It occurred to me recently that every sporting centrefire rifle I possess began life as a military action made up into a sporter by the relevant factory, whether it be Mauser, Steyr, Remington, B.S.A., Webley, etc.
One of my interests is in Ross rifles. This was mainly sparked by my great grandfather (Neil Ross) telling my mother that he was a cousin of Sir Charles. Whether he was a second cousin or 42nd cousin I don't know, unfortunately. I have a couple of very nice sporters, a 1905E and an M-10, with the hope of getting a nice 1905R next year.
The rifle I am buying at the moment from an elderly collector (just because he is old doesn't mean I'm getting it cheap!), is a Mark III military rifle. Although there was a small amount of use by the New Zealand military of the Ross, restricted I believe to the Royal New Zealand Navy, about a third of the examples owned by collectors in NZ have come from the Chilean Navy, via ex-HMS Canada - as is the one I am buying. It has its matching bayonet, both with a DA56 serial. I actually haven't seen it in the flesh yet but the rifles I have bought from the same collector have always turned out to be described accurately.
The reason why I am confident in predicting the PROPORTION of Chilean rifles here is because I have kept every NZ Antique Arms, and Militaria auction catalogue since 1981 and they are a mine of information. For instance, I see that that over that time 18 military Ross rifles have been sold through those auctions - some more than once. There was only one Mark II which sold in 2002 for $NZ 2,200 - serious money! The other 17 have been Mark III's ranging from Indian DP's to a Canadian (I presume) Home Guard rifle. The Latter went for $NZ 3,200 - it must have been a good one. I think I read on your site that the HG rifles are often in top condition.
I am going to have to wait until Christmas before I pick the Mark III up so I will post photos then of the stock and metal markings and ask you guys (and maybe gals?) for comment. At the moment I don't know whether it has the desirable "CEF" stamp. I presume that even though it has a low "DA" serial, it won't necessarily be an early Mark III because the Chilean Navy would have stamped the rifles randomly.
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New member from the foothills of N.E. GA
Hi. New to the forum. Primarily interested in the M1 carbine.
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New member in need of help
Hi all I have a No.4 Mk1* for sale but before so i'm in need of some help.
My No.4 is a Long Branch 1942 Dated. The help I seek is information about the stock marking on it. It appears to be a sequence of letters and numbers located on the LH side of the stock. Photo provided. Admin feel free to relocate or delete post if inappropriate
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Regards,
Lucas.
New to the Military Surplus Collectors Forum
Hi I am new to the forum. I have been collecting military surplus rifles for about 6 years. My current focus is Swiss, Spanish and Israeli rifles but I admit a fascination with anything old and bolt action.
Vaughan
.22 LE shooter in Northern Ireland
Hi Guys,
I am a .22 LE shooter based her in Northern Ireland. I started my shooting career with a No8 and a No 4 rifle at college, moved on to larger and noisier things and am returning to basics with a No9 ex RN trainer.
Eddie
GREETINGS FROM SOUTH-EAST ENGLAND
Just wanted to say hello to all forum users and introduce myself.
I live in the part of Kent that during WW2 was referred to as Hellfire Corner. These days there's not so much 'Hellfire' as there used to be but I'm within earshot of our local military range at Hythe and regularly hear gunfire on the wind.
I retired three years ago and decided to take up rifle shooting to get me outdoors at the weekend. It's great! I can get my fresh air (perfumed with a little powder reek) whilst lying down. I joined a local club and, after six months probation period and a year of full membership, I applied for and obtained my Firearms Certificate.
I shoot as often as I can but as there are no convenient public ranges I can only shoot at booked shoots on the military ranges. Usually twice a month. I have rifles in .308, .223, .38/.357, and .22 but I had a slot on my ticket for a .303 and spent some time making up my mind about which rifle to select. The obvious choice would have been a Lee-Enfield in one or other mark but I also wanted a rifle that would shoot very acccurately in Service Rifle comps. As a Brit I have great regard for L-Es, and may well obtain one further down the line, but I made the decision in favour of a P14. I may hear some objections from L-E shooters on the matter of accuracy but, knowing that P14s were selected for sniping in WW2, and that fewer of them were made, I bit the bullet.
I had the good fortune to see a late production (last 15,000) Winchester P14 advertised on one of our gun trading sites and, after hearing from the seller's gunsmith on the condition, I bought it. I think I got a bargain as included in the deal came a (modern) 44mm zoom scope and rail, a Parker TZ 3/53 sight, over 100 once-fired cases, and 250 FMJ bullets. The rifle itself is cosmetically an 8.5/10 and has its ladder sights and volley sights intact.
Although the barrel was far from shot out, I made the decision to re-barrel. Initially I made enquiries about a Criterion barrel but I managed to locate a gunsmith who had a new original barrel, still in its Cosmolene, which is currently being fitted.
I've bought Skennerton's and Stratton's books for reference but you can't beat a forum for the breadth and depth of practical knowledge - so here I am.
I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts and advice about any aspect of the P14 and the shooting of it. I intend using my own reloads based on the military specs but would be glad of the benefit of wiser and more experienced shooters' input.
Have a good summer.
Buster
New Springfield 1903 Mark I Owner
Hello all, I'm new to the forum. I recently purchased a Springfield 1903 and I'm here to learn and also try to find out if it's safe to shoot. It's a high s/n (10572xx - don't know if it's OK to post the full s/n).
So it seems the receiver is safe but it's the bolt I think may be too old since it has a single "S" on the bottom of the safety lug. I can't find any other markings on the bolt assembly.
Let me know if you would like pictures of the rifle and if so should I use this post or create a new one?
Thanks!
New Member coming out of the shadows
Hi All,
I have been a lurking stalker type for the last year or so, treating the forum as a source of data to corroborate what I thought I knew.
I am a collector/shooter of 1st and 2nd WW rifles but I have just stepped out of my regular comfort zone to buy a straight pull M1A and suddenly I wish I was in the States where you can sometimes enjoy the benefits of a gas tube!
UK based, my primary likes are anything Enfield related. I am fortunate to have acquired and shoot a 1906 SMLE, No1 Mk V, No1 Mk VI, a couple of T's, L42A1 ............ and you probably see that I have got the bug. I reload to relax and try really hard not to be too much of a train spotter on the stuff that I know very little about.
Looking forward to getting to know you all better after this faltering first step!
permission to board the ship
cpo/usn/ret reporting for duty.
Hello good people ..I am a newbie.
Hi all..I am a newbie and I am from Canada. Retired finally, from Auto Body Technician.
My favorite quote: Nothing is too good for a woman thats good..
Snider and Martini collector
Hello,
I've been collecting for the past 50 years, however I had not seen this site before.
I collect mainly large bore British Enfield Sniders and Martini Henrys. Looking for variances
in Westley Richards, Cape guns, Hollis, Lancaster. I collect with working and repair guns.
Any questions are welcome. My deepest knowledge is Sniders. I always try to acquire knowledge in foreign Sniders. I'm working on a book for everyone's future reference.
Thanks
Stu
Jack J here from Missouri
Greetings, been increasingly intrigued by military surplus and most particularly by the Lee Enfield which I've had a chance and even owned one years ago and stupidly got rid of.
Looking to learn. Thanks.
Never trust an officer with a map.
Never trust an officer with a map they told me. One of the first things I did when embarking on a military career, if indeed that is what it was, involved learning how to read a map, and do it well. As an infantryman a map is a vital tool, used properly it can save time, effort and lives, and assist you in getting your job done.
The map itself isn't everything, and you need a reliable compass (or multiples thereof), and a protractor helps too.
My first issue G1098 Prismatic Mk III took some getting used to but was a great piece of kit. It was looking for information on how to refurbish this item that drew me to this site, and an excellent posting by Capt. Peter Laidler, a member here and formerly senior Armourer in the Small Arms School Corps. Duly impressed with Peter's entry I have signed up to learn more and things are looking good.
New Member with a Carcano question
I was searching the net for a part for the lower band on a Carcano M38. Specifically, the nut which holds the swivel in place. I found a 02-03-15 post by Bear Tracks about buying one on ebay from a seller called allibaba34.
I was hoping to be able to contact this person and thought maybe Bear Tracks could help.
Thank you all.
Joe
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New Member from Sandy, Oregon
Long time amateur historian, with a passion for printed words - reading and writing same. I've been published in several dozen magazines, including World at War Magazine, and Vietnam Magazine. Collect many things, including collar pins, WWII all kinds of stuff, WWII language guides, phrase books. I have restored a WWII Ford jeep. Attachment 86731
Lately, I have been getting in military knives.
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New Member from Sandy, Oregon
Hello to all!
Been collecting for a dozen years or so. I love all things related to home front WWII. Have a number of things that go bang, including Garand, M1 Carbine, and army .45. I restored a
1943 Ford WWII jeep.
I collect all kinds of WWII ephemera, including surrender leaflets and propaganda, patriotic posters, language guides, and Armed Services Edition books. Sometimes I collect
collar brass. Looking to get rid of my WWII German stuff, if you want to trade, let me know.
Oh, and I write, when I can find the time, including articles about WWII history. Some of my articles can be found at wgleslie.com/writing
M1 Carbine Owner looking for accessories
I am an M1 Carbine owner whose grandfather bought mine for me in 1962 when they were first made available to the civilian market. Over the years, I have been collecting all the accessories I can afford and find. I am looking for an M8 Grenade launcher.