Egyptian Hakim

Doesn't seem to be much discussion on here about them. Any thoughts? I've been researching them a bit and it seems the price has jumped significantly in the past couple of years. Looks like $400 is the bare minimum and odds are more likely to be in the $500-$600+ range.

Is it more desirable to have an early one that most likely saw combat or a cleaner later production. I guess that's up to the individual. 1956 production is first year. The wars were pretty short, days, so maybe not an issue at all.

I've read that you shouldn't use Turk ammo in them but am wondering if that is an issue of not setting the gas port adjustment correctly or a definite no no.

I can remember maybe 5-10 years ago when I wasn't much into milsurps seeing them at my local gun shop for about $200 and thinking they were one really butt ugly rifle but now with my more enlightened vision I think they look pretty nice and with the wood stock they manage to fall into my revised although secondary "list".

I've owned two over the years, they are a bit clubby, but both were very accurate, reliable rifles. To be honest, I can't remember if I ever ran Turkish ammo through either of them. I've never heard of any issues with this ammo in the Hakim, but as you say, there isn't a lot of info on these classic old rifles.

Price wise, they are definitely going up. They aren't common up here but , occasionally do come up for sale. Generally they are in the $ 500 to $700 cdn range. On the plus side, most that I've looked at were in excellent shape. They are a unique piece of post WW2 firearms history . It's low production numbers mean it will just get harder to find, and more expensive, as the years go by. Great , now I've convinced myself to buy one lol.

Cronic

When I start researching rifles, I try to look up problems and when I did a search on the Hakim, the Turk ammo seemed to be the most significant one. But it could have been an isolated incident that everyone talks about making it seem bigger than it is. I never specifically read anything bad about Turk ammo before. It's designed for the long barreled Turk rifles so it is going to be loaded different for sure.

But a more detailed site instructs on how to properly adjust the gas valve to prevent breakage. Says if the rifle is throwing the casings more than 6 to 8 feet, the gas port needs reduced. This site did not specifically mention Turk ammo in the Hakim.

Other issues with the rifle were damage to casings when extracted and stuck casings when using the laquered stuff.

The videos make it look like a LOT of fun. I could imagine going through a lot more ammo than I'm used to with one of these. Supposed to have almost no recoil due to the weight and the muzzle break.

You're right about adjusting the gas valve, my first Hakim was throwing cases about twenty feet when I first fired it. It is easily adjusted though. There weren't any issue valve adjusting wrenchs available back then, or any issue accessories now I think about, so I made my own.

They are hard on brass, but that is just part of the design, I just learned to live with it. They are a lot of fun to shoot, and you're right about the lack of recoil, they're pussycats to shoot. One thing to be aware of is they are LOUD, you will not be popular with people around you if they don't have good hearing protection. I used to get a lot of filthy looks when I'd fire mine at my club. The only other thing with the Hakim, or any of the Lungmann variants is to watch your fingers !! I've seen a few nasty injuries to fingers when people who are unfamiliar with these actions use them for the first time , once your used to them however, its a good system.

I hope you have as much fun with yours as I did, they really are a very cool rifle.

Cronic

I have an opportunity to get one, first year production, serial in the 2000's that is in good shape with a strong bore. Bore is a little dark, nothing terrible about it. Metal is probably 80-90% with the exception of the bolt cover which is probably 60%. Wood looks decent. Some dents but it's clean looking. It is complete as far as I can tell with the exception of a sling and no one seems to know exactly what is supposed to go on it. Even has a bayonet but that's not a big issue for me as I have one already in much better condition. I'm wondering what a fair price for that would be. Gunbroker doesn't have any with bids lower than $400 and even one of them is butchered pretty bad with a cut front stock.

I'm to the point where I have to try to get rid of a few things before I get any more.

Saw a pretty clean one this weekend at $600. Interesting rifle.

I'm sort of in a self imposed exile from gun shows for the time being. Hate doing it as I need parts but I don't know that I can go for parts and not come out with some other bargain that will finally push me over the edge with my very patient wife.

I need to focus on the "list" and stay on the "list". The Hakim is very tempting however. I need to sell some things.

You surely need to keep her on the same team. At least you have someone to reel you in. My compultion goes unabated. M43 Mauser added this weekend. Very clean with what appears to be a pristine bore.
I did impose a bit of self disipline in passing on two less than stellar Sweidish Mausers and an over priced Swiss 1889. Perhaps there is hope for me yet.

Was browsing around and ran across this thread..just bought my first Hakim today. I must admit I knew almost nothing about these, other than they were based on a Swedish design. Nevertheless, in my never ending quest to own odd and little known military rifles, I convinced myself I needed one. This one was found in a pawn shop in Clayton, Ga, and they literally didn't know what it was. So I was able to score it for next to nothing. After spending all evening reading up on it, I'm really eager to get some range time with it.
I've read all sorts of opinions on these, some folks love 'em, some wish they'd never heard of 'em. But I'm guessing a lot of negative input is from people who have badly maintained rifles, or are just parroting what they've heard elsewhere. I stripped mine down tonight, going to spend the morning giving it a good cleaning, as it looks like it hasn't had one in a while. I'm pretty impressed with the build quality of it. It's hefty, to say the least. If you run out of ammo, it would make a pretty good war club...
A while back one would see these somewhat regularly at gun shows, but not so much now. And when you do, they're pretty pricey.
Would like to be able to determine DOM. There are several Arabic markings on the receiver, which ones would show the year?
After cleaning her, I'm going to take her to the range and annoy the other shooters with it. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Don't use Turk ammo. That is a big no no with these. Other than that, enjoy.

That is the one thing everyone seems to agree on. Turk bad!

Hope you do not mind a bit of CPR on this older thread.
I scored a Hakim this week end and have a question. No matter what I try I cannot get the dust cover disengage from the bolt carrier or the safety to go into the left (fire position). I disassembled the bolt carrier and see no signs of damage or fouling. No apparent damage to the part of the safety that protrudes into the trigger group and the lever will go full left when off the rifle. I know these are a bit of an odd design perhaps someone reassembled incorrectly?
Any help would be appreciated but I hate to take it to the gunsmith and spend more $ if it is something I can fix.

The book says:

Move safety to the right

Push dust cover forward so it locks on bolt carrier, pull back

Remove the magazine

Move dust cover/bolt carrier forward one inch (or two) move safety to middle position, pull out block which includes safety

Slide bolt carrier and cover off back

Turn carrier upside down, roll bolt out of carrier

Hold bolt carrier against block of wood, push button to release recoil spring

Slide bolt carrier out of cover

Reassemble is just the reverse with the following notes:

A screwdriver must be used to press the bolt carrier far enough for the button to engage

When the bolt is laid on the bolt carrier and rolled into place it must be held together while slid onto the receiver rails

The bolt will catch on the hammer which must be slightly depressed with a finger for it to slide forward, when the block is returned to the receiver, push the dust cover against it and move the safety to the left position. The carrier and bolt will slam forward.

A Collector's Guide to Military Rifle Disassembly and Reassembly - I highly recommend getting a copy, not expensive and covers just about every notable rifle type.

I was not able to get the saftey into the left (fire) position before or after disassembly. I am able to get the carrier to slam forward in the conventional method by holding the saftey lever in the center position pushing the dust cover slightly forward and pulling it back (mag removed). I think I may have an internal issue.

I don't quite understand the "roll" of the bolt but that might be the issue if it has not been "rolled" into the correct position or rolled in upside down. I think it's probably something that is easy to see when you have the parts in hand and are doing it.

I guess the other thing would be to look for burrs or wear spots on the parts.

The bolt will only ride in flat side down so I think that much is correct. Found a post about trigger problems related to action screw shims that may cause some issues trigger group may be riding to high in the stock creating a problem with its relationship with the saftey. I think I will take a close look at the part of the saftey that protrudes into the action and determine if there is an issue there. Did you ever score one? Based on gunbroker and refrence book think I did ok on this one (if this problem is not serious) all original 1961 with sling and cleaning rod bore looks very nice.. Also scored my first Sweede a very nice M38.Very slow day at the fun show worked in my favor.

Safety is put in the middle position to remove. And it did take a bit of fooling with to remove the dustcover from the bolt. But have gotten it down to a bit of a science. I love these rifles...everything is but the norm with them!

They say they are real range clearers due to the muzzle break. I hope I can figure out the problem without having to make a significant donation to my gunsmith in dollars and lost range time.
I did find a set of diaassembly /assembly instructions that worked well. With carrier cover in full forward position release the bolt catch which lands the bolt cover right in your hand to relieve the spring pressure. Reassemble in reverse placing the bolt and carrier into their rails first sliding full forward then on with the cover along its rails being careful the spring is properly engaged on the pin in the bolt cover press forward over the carrier until it locks.No flying springs.

One sold here recently that was listed at $450. Not sure if the guy held out for that or not. He had it listed in the locals for a week. I was watching to see if and when it sold. It seemed a fair price.

Paid south of 4 for mine I was pleased. I think.

You did well..............unless it's busted.

Can't figure parts are going to be easy to get. But then again, I never checked. I don't have a busted Hakim.

I do seem to recall something about the shims you mentioned, if that is what it is, it should be an easy fix.

The correct sling by the way is a bright green canvas/nylon sling. It will make it really stand out.

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

You did well..............unless it's busted.

Can't figure parts are going to be easy to get. But then again, I never checked. I don't have a busted Hakim.

I do seem to recall something about the shims you mentioned, if that is what it is, it should be an easy fix.

The correct sling by the way is a bright green canvas/nylon sling. It will make it really stand out.

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Liberty Tree collectors has the sling.

That's the one.

Don't shoot Turk ammo in it once you get it working. You need a gas port adjustment tool as it is supposed to through the emptys between 6-10 ft. If more than that you could break something.

Ok I think I found the issue but not certain of the cause. 89 (saftey shaft) is not playing well with 100(trigger block). The recess in the saftey shaft is supposed to let the trigger block pass thru the notch in the saftey shaft base but the shaft will not rotate clockwise sufficent for clearance. Saftey turns fine off the reciever but not when inserted there appears to be a slot running horizonally in 106 on the left side above the trigger guard in front of the rear action screw that allows for the free movement of the saftey shaft. I think it is either blocked or not in the proper relationship (on the vertical axis) with the slotted disk at the bottom of the saftey shaft as the saftey will not move full right (safe) or full left (fire). Any thoughts?
In retrospect perhaps I should have posted in the gunsmith section rather than hijacking Aragorns thread.:surrender:

Is it installed backwards or bent?

I think my decribing the problem helped me figure it out. Tightning of the rear action screw brought the disk at the base of the saftey shaft into the correct relationship with the slot in the trigger guars assembly allowing it t0 rotate properly engageing/disengaging the trigger stop.

Seems to me to be a weak spot in the design. The action screw is not completely tight. At some point I will break it down and check the condition of the shims which I read can be an issue. Seems to me if the trigger guard and the action are not heald in the correct relationship by shims this could be a recurring problem. I supose that is why the action screws have the wire keepers. Thanks for letting me hyjack the thread to bounce this around. Perhaps it will help someone else down the road.

One more question. Has anyone made a gas adjustment tool for a Hakim? I would rather make one than pay $20 on ebay. Ideas?

Round piece of metal, a dremel and a lot of patience is all that comes to mind. I don't know how big it has to be but a brass bolt turned down and smoothed out would be easier to work with than steel I would think.

Or perhaps a Harbor Freight $1 nut driver and a dremel?

You could do that and fill the end in with a good epoxy and then shape it.

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You could do that and fill the end in with a good epoxy and then shape it.

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Proof that great minds do think alike.

Hakims recoil like a 30 carbine and are very loud.I have found they are very accurate and like the heavy 196gr load. The gas adjustment tool is very rare. very nice rifle excellent presentation.

I found one more issue. Broken rear band retainer clip but found a replacement. He also has the gas tool at what seems like a fair price.

I had the opportunity to shoot one the other day. Nice rifle and functioned flawlessly. Be sure to watch a video and pay special attention to loading and charging details as this is not easy for the uninitiated like me. Figuring this out with no guidance from the owner was a challenge. Watching the video after cleared everything up.

I did shoot it under a roof. I did not notice any issues with doing so. No one was beside me on either side. The person standing behind me said they felt the blow back.

I took three of my rifles up the same day, M1 carbine, M1 Garand and MAS 49/56. Both M1's functioned flawlessly and the Garand was on paper every time. I had some difficulty zeroing the carbine and may need to get a taller front sight for it. Nice groups, just way high. The MAS was on paper every shot too (as was the Hakim). I did have two jambs with the MAS. Could be the commercial ammo I was using, could be I didn't load it right. None of them had any recoil to speak of. I probably shot close to 60 rounds in a short period wearing a T-shirt.

7.5 x 54 on the MAS or 7.61x51 convert? Have you modified or replaced the fireing pin to address the potential slam fire issue? The Hakim thumb issue is suppose to make Garand thumb look like trimming your finger nails. I have watched some videos and familerized myself with the (shall I say odd) loading procedure. Looking forward to getting it completed and fireing.
CMP sent ammo & assessories to taunt me no rifle yet. The folks at CMP are some of the most cordial & helpful I have ever delt with on the telephone. Missing bayonet screw no problem arrived in two days.

MAS is original. Never heard of a slam fire issue with these. It is hard on brass. Throws them about 30 feet making them hard to find in the grass too. There is an odd protrusion on the bolt face that dents the base of the rim and it dents about a third of the casings on ejection. The Garand is kind of a bear to load too but probably just because I'm in the learning phase.

There is supposedly an issue of slam fires on some Mas 49/56s with commercial ammo. Fix is shortening the FP or replacing it with a titanium one.

I was shooting Privi. I didn't feel like cleaning it immediately so left the surplus home. Didn't have any firing issues, just the hang up in the magazine.