1944, Allies are pushing against Nazi Germany! British Snipers often are on the tip of the spear, leading attacks against Germans.
So how their main Sniper rifle, No.4 MK. I (T) worked? I'm taking on 13 different size targets all the way from 100 to 700 Yards! Let's see what this rifle really can do!
As a counter sniper I'm going to use German BYF High Turret Sniper, what could go wrong?
I hope you will enjoy watching this video! :D
That's a fun video and a cool channel you guys have there. I've been a subscriber since day one. Keep it up!
Thank you for watching! Those old work horses deserve all the attention they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by champ0608
A great rifle and excellent shooting, well done.
I have a box of that Winchetser red label ammo; marked for synchronised guns on the box. Incredibly reliable for 80 year old ammo.
I won't be shooting it though!
I loved you video and your enthusiasm, Rob! Where are you from? Your English is EXCELLENT.
Bob
Excellent shooting, great video and impressive film of the bullet swirl
Thank you Bob. And to answer to your question, I'm from Liverpool of course! Just joking, I was born in Poland, but I'm US Citizen living in MO.
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Thank you for watching. And yes, this is some fascinating story about this ammo. So the ammo was designated for RAF, also, it says "for synchronized guns", but then we have "not for use in the airplanes". We discussed this at gunboards and post by Damien was really interesting: "Red label is definitely the right stuff for air service, but why put "NOT FOR USE IN AIRCRAFT" on the cartons? Without wanting to sound too pedantic, there is a mistake in the packaging somewhere along the line. The label in the photo is a new made replacement, so either it is mistaken, or the original Winchester printed carton label is incorrect. I am not doubting the photographic evidence as such, but there is a logical explanation that is probably a good story, if only I knew it."Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
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Originally Posted by Rob Ski
The quality of the Winchester ammunition was very inconsistent, (size varations) resulting in jamming and blockages. It is not so difficult to clear a jam in your Enfield but not so easy when the gun is on the wing of your Spitfire.
Investigations into shot-down aircraft (and the loss of the pilots) showed that their guns were jammed and those had all been using Winchester 'for use in aircraft' ammunition.
Subsequently all Winchester manufactured 303 was banned from use in aircraft, and only allowed to be used for "ground use" and for some early batches only for "ground practice" use.
Now you know the 'story'.
Thank you very much Alan! Mystery solved!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
I really enjoyed that video.....nice shooting by the way!
Good to see you branching out Rob…
I promise not to tell the Files you’re being unfaithful. ;-p
What a nice channel. I immediately subscribed!
Hahahahaha! Thank you! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by amadeus76
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Thank you Ovidio!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovidio
Here's a photo of the original Winchester Red Label
The ammunition is not in as clean condition as your test box.
Attachment 120191
Well done! Now, did the Home Army get any No4(T)s by air delivery?
Mine main aluminum box was completely seal off. When I opened the can, there was no signs of moisture penetration or anything. My ammo was made in October 1941, so only few months after your box!Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
Surpmil; I've not heard of any N4Mk1T's being air dropped in France. But that doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
They dropped tons of stuff leading upto and just after D-Day.
Mainly Sten's, Lee Enfields and Bren's.
I have a 1944 Maltby made No4 from a local air drop, along with the original bayonet and a bandolier of rounds. It is one of my most prized possesions.
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Originally Posted by Rob Ski
Just a little more 'back-story' to the problems with American manufactured ammunition :
During WW1 around 50% of the 303 supplied was deemed 'not fit for use' and was relegated to practice use only, add in the fact that by 1916 the 3 American suppliers to Britain were over 400,000,000 (400 million) rounds below their promised delivery rate.
The decision was taken to cancel all contracts with the US at the earliest opportunity.
That is very cool info. Now, so it looks like USA didn't have a good track record since WWI with British 303. Going back into the 40's, seems that Winchester again chocked and their RAF ammo was downgraded to "non aircraft use only". However, we think this is mainly because of the poor quality control on primers, fear of having dud round on the aircraft, right? Because performance wise, not talking about shooting, but from the doppler radar, rounds were consistent on the velocity and SD: 17fps is not bad for mass produced ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
I have one more question, accuracy wise, how is the Winchester ammo comparing to regular British surplus production?
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Originally Posted by Rob Ski
My understanding was the dimensional consistency. I have not been able to identify if this was bullet dimensions, or case dimensions. I am guessing that as it resulted in jamming / blockages / non-ejection that it was inconsisten case dimensions.
Just as another example ( later manufacture and now made to SAAMI dimensions) the difference between US manufactured (commercial) 303 and 'mil-spec' 303 dimensions.
The Win cases are the 'thin ones' and the Prvi-Partisan are the 'thicker ones'. Using the Win. cases with the thin rims, can result in you increasing your effective headspace by ~ 5 thou. The Win. and Rem. tend to be at the bottom end of the specification (Min spec 0.054") whilst the PP and Mil-Spec tend to be around the top-end (Max spec 0.064")
Notice also how thin the 'SAAMI' cases are around the "web"
Thank you Alan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield