Hey Gents
A repro stock means a legit stock but made in another time as a spare part? Thank you in advance.
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Hey Gents
A repro stock means a legit stock but made in another time as a spare part? Thank you in advance.
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The difference is the cartouches. It is fine to make a replacement stock in a different time period. It becomes forgery when the stock is struck with cartouches with the intention to deceive and make the stock more valuable. If it is done for legit reasons, they would typically stamp the barrel channel with the legend "REPRODUCTION."
Bob
I'm not an expert in forged cartouches, and certainly not on M1s, but the stock would have received those stamps as part of an inspection as a complete rifle. The stock and stamps are in such good condition, it begs the question, why would it have been removed from the rifle and sold loose? Not to mention, how did the stock stay in that nice of shape after all an M1 would have been through in the last 75 years.
The EMcF stamp was for Brigadier General Earl McFarland, commander of Springfield Armory from mid '42 to mid '43. His stamp would have been on many WWII warhorses, and those stocks command a premium for anyone restoring that era of Springfield M1.
If I had to put money on it, I'd guess those stamps were added by someone trying to pass the stock off as something its not. But I could be wrong.
And that was what I was alluding to in my post. They didn't make stocks alone as replacements and whack 'em with cartouches so a replacement stock alone from any period won't have 'em.
Bob
Over the years some people have alleged that SA stamped stocks in advance to speed production, but there is no evidence for it and it doesn't sound like SA. They were sticklers for procedure.
I concur with your assessment, I expect there is a picture somewhere showing them stamping rifles. That 43 series of pictures at SA probably has one showing a rifle getting it’s finals stamps. In most if not all the inspection manuals/regs I read it indicates the stamping occur as part of the final inspections. Doesn’t mean that’s what really happened but it doesn’t make sense to me that they would be pre stamping stocks back then.
Hey Champ.
You are so right about the wear, thanks
Regards
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Hey Jim,
It was too good to be true.
Regards
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Hey Bob
So they did replacement stocks without cartouches.
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Hey Bob,
Thanks for your reply
Regards
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Hey cpc,
You are right.
Regards
Hey Gents
I would love to get the right stock, my Garand is marked in the receiver as SA 1.8, bolt D28287-19SA A-10, Trigger housing 6528290-SA, internal parts C46008-1, C4601 can´t see the last 2 digits, receiver D-6528291 and the barrel SA D6535448 4 53 A188A, both handguards are walnut and look pretty much the same color, the stock has the 2 drills, doesn´t have any mark and its color is lighter than walnut, it has worn over the years, can you guys tell me something about this stock, please.
Thank you in advance
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I don't actually know what parts were made for inventory. Journalist Ernie Pyle wrote of medium ordnance companies in Normandy spending their morning salvaging rusting, damaged rifles by stripping them down to the parts. They threw the usable parts in pans of gasoline then scrubbed and sandpapered them back into spec. In the afternoon the oiled and assembled the parts to create complete, usable rifles. There was no mention of the companies bringing a store of spare parts from the 'States but I can't imagine that the rifle stayed in inventory for over twenty-three years without the Army, Navy, Marines, et. al. keeping spares of just about everything.
Bob
Hey Bob,
I can´t imagine those companies taking time to match all the M1s with the correct SN.
I was hoping that my barrel was marked as 30-06, but couldn't find any 30-06 marks in any part.
Regards
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Hey Jim
So mine is a standard replacement, do you mean to replace the buttplate?.
Because of the worn and the barrels year, I think it may saw action at Korea, don´t you think so Jim?
Regards
Do you mean to replace the buttplate?
The companies took all the rifles apart and chucked the parts into common pans. Because the parts were interchangeable, they just grabbed a bunch of parts and built a new rifle out of them. The parts didn't have a serial number like European arms did, they just had drawing numbers for their lot. At that point, as far as I know, all the M1 Garands in the Army were .30-06. I wouldn't know where your rifle got another bore. If it were me, I'd get a gunsmith to measure the chamber and bore and verify the caliber it is chambered in.
Bob
Thank you for the advice to check the barrel.
Look at the picture, the barrel has those marks, those tell you something, Bob?
Regards
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It's a Springfield Armory barrel built in April of 1953 It has a "P" proof mark. That's the extent of my knowledge. Anyone else got more?
Bob
That part number D6535448 is a .30 cal. barrel.
While your barrel was originally .30/06, there is no proof that it is STILL .30/06. It could have been re-bored or re-chambered to something else. That was not as commonly done with Garands as with bolt action rifles but "never say never". As an example, I have an A3 Remington that has been re-chambered to .300 Winchester Magnum as well as a 1903 Remington that has been re-bored and re-chambered to .358 Norma Magnum. I have a few other rifles that have started out as one thing and are now another. So, the advice you have been given to have it checked is good advice.
Hi Jim
Which would be the right type?
Regards
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Thank you ArtPahl,
Regards
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Nice, thank you Mark :thup:
I know there's visible differences in carbine butt plates regarding the checkering but I don't think you're going to have the same trouble with M1 rifle. I'd just find a clean example. Here's a source for instance, or put up a WTB here. Best M1 Garand, Best M1 Garand Parts Online
Hi Jim
Which would be the right type?
This should help answer some of your questions
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