Good things come in big packages also...

Long story cut short, I have had the pleasure of shooting a H&K MP5 on a few occasions and loved it.... of course in the UK were limited to what we can have but I was wanting something similar to plink with and practice my standing and kneeling shooting, of course could of gone for a Ruger 10/22 but whatever you do to a 10/22 it still looks like a 10/22.......

I'd seen what a guy had done with swapping the furniture over on a GSG MP522 to original G3 furniture, it looks the dogs reproductive orgins to me and was happy when a cheap GSG come my way, I thought I'd completed the order for the furniture set but forgot to pay....... so after payment it arrived yesterday, must admit it was a gamble but the wood is excellent,

It doesn't really need words with the pics, but the socket the Butt fitted into required some work and not as easy as the Guy I'd seen do (have included a link to his conversion) I had to make a forming tool to open up the socket a few MM and then use heat to bring the back end out and pull the front in, worked quite well..... some pics below, the butt transforms it straight away, I was going to do the same as the Guy in the link but I will reduce the hand guard to replace the plastic one and keep it compact.

So what you get in the package

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alongside the GSG

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Some cutting, tweaking and a file it was eventually a good fit...

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Just the hand guard to cut and make good, I was going to extend everything to use the hand guard as is but to keep it compact it still looks good.

Plenty of pics on the internet, but this is the link I had seen and the gut only used a dremil etc.

How to install HK Wood Furniture on your GSG-5 or GSG-522 - YouTube

Geoff, that looks great, really good job! Looking forward to seeing her complete.

It's going to look like an early trials MP5. I wonder if you could create a straight magazine to complete the look?

Thanks John, thought you may enjoy it..... there is drum mag you can get...., the pics don't do it justice to be honest, but looks a different rifle, still lots to do but that was the main bit, if you look on the net there is others who have created a G3 from one, but I'll chop the hand guard to suit, just wanted something that looked different....

What did the trials one look like ?

Hi Geoff, I think the early trials examples had wooden butts and straight magazines were the norm until about 1970 when the curved examples came into use.

Buttstock looks good, can't wait to see the rest.

Just a thought Geoff, I don't know how those GSG5 magazines are constructed, but I wonder (assuming they are all polymer in the body) if it would be possible to gently heat up a spare magazine with a heat gun and straighten it to go with the early look?? Probably a stupid idea ... but it is Monday morning!

John, I doubt it with the mags and only have the one at present, be nice to find a straight mag, I guess someone may do them, to be honest more than happy just swapping over the cheap plastic butt and hand guard but it does require some work if anyone is thinking about it.

Still some internal bits to sort also. For anyone in the UK or EU looking for the furniture set, I bought it from Zib Militaria, cheaper in the long run from trying to get it from the states, although its not cheap but saved me many hours of producing one and probably would of ended up with another shelved project....

There is a lot stuff and add on's you can buy for them, a lot go for extendable butt stock and change the handguard for one you can attach all bells and whistles etc, but the wooden G3 furniture wins hands down all the time to me. (maybe more to do with age an tradition....)

The .22 HKs are quite reasonable in price as is the wood sets. Great idea!

Further progress made today, The hand guard was cut and had to use the dremil to take out some wood so it would locate properly, the problem is to get to fit snug the screw holding the cocking tube had to be removed and the tube slid forward so the guard would fit in, I could of cut it shorter but wanted a good fit, so it will need an access hole drilled in the left side, apart from that it went well and fits like like a glove, over all very pleased, totally transforms it.

The silencer tube is just for show and cosmetics, *the barrel is thin and could also be cut back 4" if I permanently fixed a bar from the rear going through the stock, as this would keep with in the required overall legal length which I may do later on...

*(if the barrel was shortened to the minimum of 12" and the butt stock removed its under the legal size of 24" and could be fired different story if it couldn't be used)

Just happy to fit the hanguard at this stage, some tweaking to do here and there, need to sand blast the socket for the butt, phosphate and paint, trim the hand guard at the rear or chamfer so doesn't look like its just had a saw through it. Also need to make a plate that fits in the rear of the rifle that secures the bolt assembly and find a small spring to fit in the ejector.

Forgot to mention Zib Militaria also sent a calender....

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Looks really good Geoff, nice job mate, it really gives a different retro look to the carbine

A friend of mine has cut the barrel, perminently fitted a long FE and a retractrable stock that's been pinned open to comply with the minimum length rules.

Thanks John, I'm looking at knocking up a sleeve with a FE to go over the bare barrel but will wait till I have a good look at fitting a bar to the body that will fit inside the butt, with 4" off the barrel it would look a lot better...... hope to give it a run out on Thursday.

Looking forward to the pics Geoff.

It looks very good now, very old school.

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It looks very good now, very old school.

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Thats what I was looking for Jim, as soon as the cheap plastic was off it made all the difference, certainly drew some attention on the range....

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Looking forward to the pics Geoff.

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John, no pics as the first test run a bit of a disaster, only when making the holding plate for the rear of the bolt assembly casing, that I noticed a small chunk was missing I'll get some pics of that at some point, although I doubt it would be a concern but I think when it initially happened it probably caused a few more issues.

The first problem was light strikes, it was due to the holding plate I made was a few thou less in thickness, so the assembly casing was not snug against the the barrel face, with the aid of some quick made shims (cardboard from a .22 box) it was up and running. A good clean a repair to be done on the bolt itself and a clean on the safety stud it should be fine. Its a a strange kettle of fish as its too complicated with the hold open and mag safety etc.

As for parts, the UK importers are keen to shift them but when it comes spares etc, I've had no success in the past. Problem with this one is the guy who had it died but had it in bits before hand, part from what I can see there may of been other issues...... if only it was a 9mm original MP5........ basic and reliable.

Evening Geoff, nothing is ever easy mate! If I can get my friend to send pics of his FE with measurements, is it viable to make one to fit on your GSG?

Does the GSG have the lugs at the muzzle like the MP5 Geoff.

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Does the GSG have the lugs at the muzzle like the MP5 Geoff.

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Pics show his barrel...straight and way too long.

John , no lugs as Jim says just a long straight barrel, but I intend to make a sleeve with an FE on the end to replace the fake can.... I'm looking at ways to attach a bar to protrude thought the Butt stock (its hollow inside) so I cut the barrel down to 12" and with the bar will make it OA length of 24"........ if you look at the stripped De Lisle on the Enfield forum it looks under 24" to me but probably just the picture and the rear end for the tube, they have been making them for sometime, unless they have permanently fixed the butt etc, or done what I mention above, its something I racked my brains about regarding building one.........

Interesting Geoff, regarding a sec1 De Lisle build, I wonder if you could somehow fit a shaped steel rod, perhaps using the oil bottle/pull through channel and weld it to butt socket, then fit a suitably modified butt?

Having a butt perminently fitted to Enfield seems like a really bad idea.

That said, would the authorities regard a De Lisle without a butt as usable anyway??

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Interesting Geoff, regarding a sec1 De Lisle build, I wonder if you could somehow fit a shaped steel rod, perhaps using the oil bottle/pull through channel and weld it to butt socket, then fit a suitably modified butt?

Having a butt perminently fitted to Enfield seems like a really bad idea.

That said, would the authorities regard a De Lisle without a butt as usable anyway??

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When I looked at it John and it was from all angles, but the obvious was staring me in the face, you couldn't use the oil bottle channel as the stock bolt goes through, but if you had a hollow stock bolt then all you need to do is weld the bar at the rear of the Butt socket........ You would have to make a tool like the outside part of the adjusting tool for a Mk1 No32 scope but a lot longer to tighten the stock bolt etc..... although you still needed the 12" barrel for our laws, the OA was within IIRC.......

I don't think its to do with so much as usable, more to with concealment and you could use a .45 Enfield with no butt, it does state in the guidance small firearms must have a minimum barrel 30cm and be a length of 60cm.

I've always based it on the LBR and the likes, as with the GSG take the Butt stock off and your left with 60cm......