Holes Under Butt Plates, Help Needed

I have examples of these stock makers with the number of holes under the Butt plate:

1 Hole:
S-HB, OI, HI, RSG (SG), RSG (S'G'), IR, RSG TO I (TRANSFER), RMC, RMC TO I (TRANSFER), RMC B, QRMC, TRIMBLE FOR NPM AND SG.
SJ, LW, LW-U, LW-B, P-U, JL-B, JL, (Assume IR-IP), Circled K often thought made by Keystone, HQ.

3 Holes:
WRA, SC-B, S&C-U, M-U, BR-B, J, SA, M with Bomb in slingwell


Would also appreciate any information on Butt plate holes from any replacement stock that has a marking in the sling well... Like just P, .. etc.
So we'll know the maker.

My J (Jewel Bros.) marked stock has 3 holes.

Thx Again Wayne,
I messed up my copy paste from this link: Who made this stock? - The Carbine Collector's Club - Page 1

Charlie-P777

ETA: I'll dig out my log I believe I may have a Underwood in a P-U Stock. But if I do it's........... Waaaaay in the back of the Bunker vault.

Charlie, I just happen to have a loose P-U oval cut low wood on my workbench, just one hole for the butt plate screw.

Not sure that we really know the origin of this stocks as far as wartime or post war replacement but the stocks believed to be manufactured by Keystone with the circled K in the sling well have one hole under the butt plate.

Thx Wayne,
Have been meaning to ask about the Circled K, but hadn't got around to it. I'm way behind in returning PM's and Emails. Been trying to clean up a mess my local tree feller left me.
And getting ready to head to DC this week for my Grandson's 6th Birthday.

Also looking for how many holes under M and Bomb, HQ, and IIRC P-1 or PJ?
I had M and bomb stocks but gave them away.

Thx Again

SA has 3 holes

That's what I had in a note book, but wanted to be sure. SA=3 holes.
I couldn't edit my list on TCCCF so I posted as a reply with added info in the 'Who Made This Stock? post.
Something done, besides the knee deep pile of chains I'm sharpening..... to hot to do much outside.
Got a 16' Maple trunk down roughly 46" across and 53" high, ran in to a seam of gravel in the center from 4' to about 11'.
Stump is clear grain, no voids. Can only figure at one time it must have had a split where the branches spread from the trunk and some how got gravel in it.

:dunno:

Thx Again Wayne,

On a Standard Products 2,0xx,xxx - IO stamp in sling well with "STD PROD RWH" stamped on left side - 1 screw hole

On an Inland 8xx,xxx - IO stamped in sling well on sanded high-wood stock - 1 screw hole

On an Underwood 2,6xx,xxx - M-U stamped in sling well with GHD over UEF with crossed cannons on right side - 3 holes -1 screw hole with 1 small hole at the top and 1 small hole at the bottom

Hope that helps!

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besides the knee deep pile of chains I'm sharpening.

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I hate sharpening chains even with an electric bench sharpener, I just spend the money and keep new ones on hand! Nothing cuts like a brand new chain.

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Originally Posted by W5USMC

Nothing cuts like a brand new chain.

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Until you hit rocks inside a Maple trunk while rip cutting.
What a nightmare....

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...besides the knee deep pile of chains I'm sharpening.....

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Charlie, that was my first "job" at Dad's hardware store in upstate NY in the mid 60's. When I wasn't unloading pallets of paint!

Russ

Russ,
For 'Fun' around that same time my Father would take me out and get on the other side of a 8' 2 man Crosscut saw. He'd laugh while grinning and yell "Are you still over there boy?"
As I tried my best not to get pulled in to the trunk. I still have that saw a Diston and Son (sp?) hanging on a garage wall with the oil stains run down from every time he'd visit and use a pump oil can on it. I also have a 5' 1 man cross cut he gave me and his file kit and depth/raker gage. He used to have a rotating stand type vice he had made for when he was sharpening them. Both are still razor sharp, I've got the cuts on me to prove it. The 5' has come in handy slowly drawing it thru the cross cuts on this trunk to clear chips, feel for gravel and find where my 'So Called Logger' :banghead: stopped his cuts. While doing this a lady walking her dog came by looked at the big pile of wood chips and commented how nice it was to see me doing this the old fashion way and not polluting the environment.
I'll be the first to admit I'm too old, crippled up and can't take heat indexes in the mid 90's to handle saws like these :surrender:

If I wasn't here in a tight little neighborhood I'd have drilled, filled and blew it up...... Just like Dad showed me. I think I was 6 or 7 the 1st time got to touch the wires to the battery to set off a charge to blow a rocky hillside.

Pallets of paint,
I've often said I washed more paint off of me in my career than anyone would buy in a lifetime.

Did I mention the neighbor that called the Police after UPS left my powder order on her porch now wants me to hollow out the stump and make a Flower planter.
Yea, Right....

Sharpening chains,
My first 2 the local shop did, took them 2 weeks and most of the teeth were ground too far back. I got a few more cuts from each after filing. I also have a electric bench top. But I seem to be having my best results with a Dremel and Stone. Saving the 'Salvaged Chains' to cut around the gravel vein.

Sorry so off topic, Just sharing my misery. You guys are cheaper than Therapy... :thup: Or so I've heard :confused:

Stay Cool All :cool:

No oiling the chain regularly while in use can dull them up in a hurry.

Most hated tool for me was when I was a telephone lineman and had to use a digging bar. An anchor hole had to be deep and clear of rocks. That bar was about 8 feet long and weighed about 30-40? pounds. Had a sharp point on one end and a small spade shape on the other. I never wore gloves as I didn't like not feeling what I was doing including climbing poles. A few creosote splinters was better than a 25' fall. That bar would put a blister on the toughest hands in about 5 minutes. It made a man out of kids real quick. In 1965 before I was drafted, up in redwood country, Miranda, Eureka, I'd spend two days sometimes on one hole. When I wasn't doing that stuff I was a surfer, so when I was drafted I was in better shape than after 10 weeks of basic. Try and find some kid to work like that today for $55 a week.

Dave,
Yea that sounds like work. By no means not as hard as your job but this reminds me of chiseling out 30-40+ ice fishing holes an outing with a ice spud. Or spudding out a few rectangular ice blocks when we spear fished growing up on Lake Erie. Hard work, but you paced yourself so you wouldn't start sweating then end up freezing. I was probably in my mid 20's when I bought my first motorized Auger, it seemed like cheating but is a blessing when cutting thru up to 3' of ice.

My Dad was a fanatic about cleaning up tools when you were finished with them and oiling everything down. He grew up during the Depression where you had to keep things maintained. He'd have me pull chains behind the tractor or truck thru the field grass until they were cleaned off, oil them and store in burlap feed bags. As kids we used to laugh about him and his oil cans. But we learned how to care for tools. I fell asleep many a night hearing that Shhh Shhh Shhh Shhh sound of him sitting at the table stoning a knife. After he worked them on his leather strap you could easily shave your arm with them. A true lasting edge, that I never got the hang of. I could get them to shave but not have a edge like he could do that would last until you abused it.

After his 2 tours during WWII he came home and hooked up with his boyhood friends Bill and Charlie Monroe (The Bluegrass Boys) and worked as a roadie with them.
Later Dad ran heavy equipment as a member of the Operators Engineers for over 45 years. When laid off in the winters because of the frost/load limits on the roads he logged in Upper Michigan. When operating he always left early and got home late. Early one summer morning before he left he woke my brother and me up and headed to the backyard. It was still dark out, but with his flashlight he showed us a staked off area in the yard about the size of a coffin that he wanted dug up. He pointed where he wanted the sod, the topsoil and clay piled separately. He wanted the corners squared off, sides straight down and the bottom smooth at about 5' deep. He had the tools laying there and left saying make sure it's done when I get home. We got started after sun up and worked our young butts off in the 90+ temps and busting thru that hard clay.... Shovels, picks etc. He didn't say what the hole was for and we knew not to ask. A neighbor asked to help but we had been told it was our job to do. I was about 10, my brother 8, it worked us but we had it perfect and waited for him to get home.
When he got home he got cleaned up ate dinner, watched Archie Bunker and went to bed. Not a word about the backyard, he'd never looked out there that we knew of. Next morning he got us up about the same time and took us out to the backyard. He never looked at us, just Bitch3D about the hole in 'His Yard'. We were told to fill it and make sure it was tamped down because he didn't want a mound in his yard. We did it and found it was harder to level and tamp it than digging it. We'd fill, hose down, tamp.. etc. By the end of the day you couldn't tell it had been a 5' deep hole by 7' long and maybe 3' wide. Again we waited, same as the night before he never looked at it. We figured it was some kind of punishment but never was told by him why or what we had done. He never brought it up to the day he passed. I think it was just a taste that life wasn't all bike riding, fishing and ball games. We better understood years later when my Mother explained that at 10 years old my Father was leased out by his Father to neighbors as a Sharecropper picking cotton, bailing hay and stripping tobacco so they would feed him.

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Try and find some kid to work like that today for $55 a week.

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H3ll, Try to find anyone to work no matter the wage. Remember kids knocking on your door asking if you needed your leaves raked, lawn mowed or sidewalk cleared of snow?
We've tried to hire a summer helper from JR High or High school all spring/summer to help on projects around here.
Things like raking pine cones, spreading mulch, clear brush from the riverbank..... just a helper, even contacted the schools, no luck there.
I've had a few local business types asking around for me. Wife posted on numerous local 'Our Town' type sites...... Nothing, No body and wage was never mentioned.
I seen it coming years ago when my Daughter and her Friends were starting to date. I had been seeing what these guys were like on our job sites. Some 18 to 19 already with a divorce and 1 or 2 kids with Friend of the Court money being pulled from their pay. Types that would have to Google what a Callous is, but could name the top 100 video games.

Can you watch a baseball game anymore and see a Homerun hit and not question if that guy is on steroids ? I can't.
Drive down a highway and watch a few hundred cars drive by while a Gal and her young kids sit there with a flat tire.
Watch a Police Officer, Man or Woman being beat down while others stand by and watch.
I think it was you Dave HH that said watch someone video a old lady being mugged while 6 grown males stand by and take pictures or video.
I used to be ashamed to hear my Father say this: If he's guilty Hang Him in public and make the town come out and see it.
Now I agree, let people see what paying your dues looks like.

IMO the term Man in most cases isn't what it used to mean. I'm sure there are some 'Greatest' in this current/upcoming generation but far fewer than the years before.
Where and What went wrong with most of todays Generation? Everybody expecting everything for free, no work or effort on their part. Was it Mommy and Daddy that don't dish out chores any more or won't let their kids walk the whole 1/4 mile home from school.
I say this after watching a neighbors 11th grade kids car set all weekend in the drive with a flat tire. All were home, but no one working on it. I told my Wife they probably don't have a spare, maybe I should offer to plug it for them? She said to stay out of it. Monday afternoon when the boy got home a tow truck pulled in and put the spare on it.... :rolleyes:
I'd should stop here... :banghead:

Safe Weekend All,
I'm off to D.C. Thursday, the Concrete Jungle. I'll try to check in.

Well, Three Holes, Two Brads, and a Smoking Gun ... While it might have made for a mildly diverting stage thriller

HQ stock has 1 hole.

https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/cmp-...nfo-on-these-2

Wayne, Thx for asking about the hole under the plate. I copied and saved that picture, now I have pictures of all the markings on a HQ: hand guard, slingwell, butt plat hole and CC in my file.

Who got this topic so Damn far off topic? :red face:

Type V, M w/bomb has 3 holes.

Thx Wayne,
It just dawned on me that I have 2 of them (M and Bomb) in the last box at the end of the vault I built. Same box that has the last style HI Type V stocks I have. I posted this picture of 1 back in 09 when I got them. Was the 1st time I'd seen them. You saved me from digging one out. I thank you for that....... :cheers:

M and Bomb on top of HI Type V

I just bought 4 surplus stocks from J&G to play around with and was surprised to find the M marked one. It is in decent shape, not bad at all for $24.99.

I remember how thick the grip was / is and the extra thick right side wall. Felt like a Club