Awesome Bringback Inland 3446 Carbine

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10-12-2021, 08:17 PM
Hammer

Awesome Bringback Inland 3446 Carbine

I recently acquired an absolutely amazing very early vet bring back M1 Carbine. It’s wood and metal are in the best condition of any of the early carbines I’ve ever seen. Makes me believe it Probably was issued to a senior officer or a rear-area soldier because it doesn’t look like it got hardly any combat wear & tear.

It has all correct / complete early type 1 Inland metal parts . 6-42 Inland barrel, and earliest Highwood I-Cut stock with O, LA, ordinance bomb, and Crossed Cannon stamps all in the Stockwell. Hand Guard has O and ordinance bomb marks.

Came with a early khaki C tip sling with narrow thin buckle and II Oiler and I even picked up a couple of 1942 dated magazine pouches and AI stamped early Magazines.

Pictures to follow:-)
10-12-2021, 08:37 PM
Hammer

Well I thought that I would be able to upload pictures from my phone. But I’m traveling away from home so it looks like I won’t be able to post pictures until I get back home In a couple days…
10-13-2021, 09:09 AM
browningautorifle

We'll be watching...
10-13-2021, 01:13 PM
GotSnlB28

From the pictures Hammer posted on CCC forum, it looks righteous ;) You won't be disappointed. Very nice pickup.
10-17-2021, 06:43 PM
Hammer

I’m traveling and don’t have access to my laptop. But I have the pictures of this amazing early inland on my phone. Is there any way to upload pictures from my iPhone to the forum here?
10-21-2021, 09:43 PM
Hammer

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10-21-2021, 10:18 PM
imarangemaster

Sweet
10-22-2021, 12:13 PM
mrclark303

all looks to be in exceptional condition, it must have been very carefully stored and looked after down the decades....
10-23-2021, 12:50 AM
EddieM

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Nice Hammer,
Thank you for share :beerchug:
10-23-2021, 11:58 AM
browningautorifle

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Originally Posted by Hammer

very early vet bring back

Very nice and really early number. Possibly didn't see anything except initial issue and then was stolen clean away. I had an M2 that was first run of serial number and was as new. I know for a fact it was stolen after initial issue, I traded it from the man that bought it from the guy that stole it... It was perfect, like yours.
10-23-2021, 12:12 PM
eb in oregon

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Very nice and really early number. Possibly didn't see anything except initial issue and then was stolen clean away. I had an M2 that was first run of serial number and was as new. I know for a fact it was stolen after initial issue, I traded it from the man that bought it from the guy that stole it... It was perfect, like yours.

Not stolen, they were "liberated."
10-23-2021, 12:35 PM
painter777

Nice :thup:

Is the Extractor Plunger Cone shaped or does it have the notch?
Is the Plunger's Stem the long style?

I have a couple early WRA's that have the long stem Plunger that had the cone shaped tip, then the notch was added.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC08526-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....8&d=1339705442

In the post below, David Barnett added:
"Per NL #336, in reference to the earlier conical plunger "The shanks are longer than the later type 2 extractor plungers. Some data sheets reported a transitional type with long shank and half cone tip." A photo is shown of the "transitional" half cone tip with the long shank. It appears identical to yours."

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=38563

A picture of your action in the stock would warm up a chilly weekend :D

Safe Weekend,
10-23-2021, 12:44 PM
browningautorifle

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Originally Posted by eb in oregon

"liberated."

Agreed, my mistake... I forgot myself.
10-23-2021, 03:01 PM
Hammer

A picture of your action in the stock would warm up a chilly weekend :D

Heres some pics of this amazing very early Inland in the Stock as requested :-)
10-23-2021, 04:28 PM
Hammer

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10-23-2021, 04:37 PM
Singer B

Wow...its perfect....you could sell it and almost fill your gas tank in California. Seriously, that is an incredible find and kudos to the person who had it before you for preserving it so well. A true beauty!
10-23-2021, 08:38 PM
painter777

Thank You Hammer,
A very nice example.
Having the Grand Slam of Slingwell markings.
Surely warms up a Damp Chilly evening.
I enjoyed the 7 Rifle (Lucky number) rack your Father built.

Question? Is the Leaf on the Flip sight marked?

Safe Weekend,
10-23-2021, 10:22 PM
Hammer

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[QUOTE=painter777;507460]Thank You Hammer,
A very nice example.
Having the Grand Slam of Slingwell markings.
Surely warms up a Damp Chilly evening.
I enjoyed the 7 Rifle (Lucky number) rack your Father built.

Question? Is the Leaf on the Flip sight marked?

The Leaf Sight base is marked but not the leaf sight itself.

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10-23-2021, 10:39 PM
Hammer

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Or is that a really small Y in a box on the right side of the 300 yard flip site?
11-01-2021, 10:02 PM
Hercules Powder

Hammer, That is an outstanding early Inland carbine and I know this because I am a pervious owner of it. I bought it 6 years ago on GunBroker and sold it 2 years later. If you can get a copy of the Carbine Club Newsletter #346 there is an extensive article on "Inland's First Serial Number Block" you will find your carbine is completely correct and I have no doubt all the parts are all original to each other.

I thought more of it being a stay back than a bring back. It is in fantastic condition but not the characteristics of one that saw action, it's pretty but no battle scars. I took great pleasure owning it, hope you do too.

To Charlies question regarding the Extractor Plunger, it is a Type 1 conical/cone w/long stem. The Extractor is a Type 1 as well.
11-01-2021, 11:14 PM
Tom Myers

Nice looking carbine, I hope someone can comment on one thing i noticed on original early carbines. I have carbine sn. 938 like this carbine 3446 i noticed the trigger group is below the line of the stock. My other Inland carbines are not like that. Curious?
11-02-2021, 12:43 PM
painter777

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Originally Posted by Tom Myers

i noticed the trigger group is below the line of the stock

I've noticed a number of Inland Hi-Wood stocks that have quite a bit of trigger housing overhang, In fact I own a couple and these don't seem to be from sanding after issue.
I don't know if some stock workers got carried away on some or if they really have been sanded after issue.

Seeing how they were made, I could understand how a few extra seconds on the big belt sanders could cause a problem.
I've never read anything about a stock being rejected because of excess trigger hang.
So I guess I have no answer.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...SC073632-1.jpg
11-03-2021, 09:34 PM
Hammer

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Originally Posted by Hercules Powder

Hammer, That is an outstanding early Inland carbine and I know this because I am a pervious owner of it. I bought it 6 years ago on GunBroker and sold it 2 years later. If you can get a copy of the Carbine Club Newsletter #346 there is an extensive article on "Inland's First Serial Number Block" you will find your carbine is completely correct and I have no doubt all the parts are all original to each other.

I thought more of it being a stay back than a bring back. It is in fantastic condition but not the characteristics of one that saw action, it's pretty but no battle scars. I took great pleasure owning it, hope you do too.

To Charlies question regarding the Extractor Plunger, it is a Type 1 conical/cone w/long stem. The Extractor is a Type 1 as well.

Thanks Hercules Powder!
You know who I got this amazing early Carbine from then and that He’s a great American veteran! and a longtime Carbine enthusiast.

I never really even considered it as being a “stay-back” :-)
You’re correct in that it is so pristine that if it did get overseas I doubt it ever got into a foxhole or trench-line.

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Originally Posted by painter777

I've noticed a number of Inland Hi-Wood stocks that have quite a bit of trigger housing overhang, In fact I own a couple and these don't seem to be from sanding after issue.
I don't know if some stock workers got carried away on some or if they really have been sanded after issue.

Seeing how they were made, I could understand how a few extra seconds on the big belt sanders could cause a problem.
I've never read anything about a stock being rejected because of excess trigger hang.
So I guess I have no answer.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...SC073632-1.jpg

I also noticed this as well and I appreciate your sharing that you’re early inland also has this slightly proud trigger housing. Interesting!
11-04-2021, 01:04 AM
USGI

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I also noticed this as well and I appreciate your sharing that you’re early inland also has this slightly proud trigger housing. Interesting!

Not as early as yours, but I have at least one Inland that's similar regarding the TH. There's no sign of it being sanded or through a rebuild - only has the original markings. I did look at my S'G' that has a Robert Irwin stock and it has even more metal showing. :thup: - Bob

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11-04-2021, 02:34 PM
Matt_X

The same with my Robert Irwin made stock compared with the my Winchester.
It would seem the amount of housing visible is normal, and probably due more to the stock manufacturer than resurfacing during a rebuild.

I've seen it commented that Winchester's stocks have a heavier wrist. Compared with the Robert Irwins they certainly seem to be wider and more squared off in the forestock as well as around the recoil plate.

Could it be that Overton was working from the same pattern or using the same process and machinery types as Irwin, while some other stock manufacturers were using Winchesters? Or are they all very distinct ?
11-04-2021, 11:49 PM
painter777

Matt,
Quick examples,
Holes under the Butt plates should be enough to tell you they all had their own 'Style'.
Noticed the Coke bottle profile on the front of Irwin made Saginaw stocks?
RSG hand guards are the narrowest I've found.
Ever read the book about stock making?
https://www.amazon.com/M1-Carbine-Re.../dp/1931464006

WRA Stocks: https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=46635&
Look under a WRA hand guard, near the notch the last router cut (circle) is always on the outer edge- overlapping the inner circle:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC05985-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=49540

Later,
11-05-2021, 09:02 AM
Matt_X

Charlie. Your "WRA Stock Traits" is terrific! :clap:
I ordered A Revolution in Stock Making through ABE yesterday after reviewing the review at the CCC. Also found an original 1944 edition of the 23-7 for a reasonable price. :)

Funny that I kindof wanted the WRA stock for nostagic reasons (my uncle's had a WRA GHD) but the Irwin grip fits my hand better. That got me curious about the other makers and of course as a person who does some woodworking, why they are different.
11-05-2021, 06:19 PM
Hammer

[QUOTE=Hercules Powder;508020]Hammer, That is an outstanding early Inland carbine and I know this because I am a pervious owner of it. I bought it 6 years ago on GunBroker and sold it 2 years later.

Just sent you a PM...