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Some say they have never seen a pic. of a carbine during WW2 with a bayonet lug:dunno:, That the bayonet lug came after the war. I posted this pic. a while back of a GI holding one while looking at a B-29 ditching at Iwo Jima on a return mission from Tokyo with wound'ed and battle damage. you can see the inv. support ship's in the back ground. Anyone else have a pic. of a GI holding a carbine with a bayonet lug during WW2? just courious.
Yer readin' my mind! This past w/e, with all the war movies on TV, the thought came to me - could all these carbines be correct with the upgraded features - adj. rear sight and bayonet lug. I really would be interested to know when these upgrades began, where they were phased in first, and about when the upgrades were finished.
Awaiting info with bated breath....:dunno:
I remember you posting that photo a while back and the BS that it stirred. It's pretty clear to me that there is a bayonet lug on that carbine. A B29 returning from a bombing run with injuries on board tells it all. If the caption on the photo is correct! :confused: :banghead:
War Baby!,pg 286 states that the Type c(3) was adopted on may 4th,approved for standardization on May 10,1944.Carbines so equipped were in production by October 1944. The adjustable rear sights(milled) approved in Feb. 1943 and stamped in Nov.1943.
Ok they had a bayonet lug. How about the bayonet, when auth, when produced ?
From War Baby! Comes Home pg. 608. Looks like it was adopted on May 4th,1944.Standarized on May 10th,1944.
The type 3 band on carbines did not appear in Europe till after the war ended. It did show up in the Pacific in 1945. The photo is not dated and could very well have been taken long after Iwo was secured and was being used by fighter groups to escort the bombers to and over Japan and as an emergency field for the bombers.
Im sure this pic. was taken long after the battle of Iwo. Most of the B-29 raid's on japan were flow'n out of Sipan and Tinian mid 44 thru 45. don't have the date's handy. I doubt that at the time this pic. was taken that Iwo even had a runway long enough for the B-29. But ditching there near land was far better then in the deep water
The reason i posted this pic. was it the past i have read on the old board
[i think] that there were no known pic's of a carbine with a bayonet lug during WW2. No mention of just Europe. And this is the only one i have seen. so far.
My mistake on date's, Sorry.
The battle of Iwo was Feb to Mar 1945, So this pic. would have taken some time after Mar. 1945, very late in the war. Thank's for looking.
I might point out the B-29 was used in Korea as well. I worked with a guy who flew missions over Korea and lost a B-29 to AAA then another to mechanical problems when returning to the states. All we have to go on is the label on the photo so we can assume it is mid 1945 if the label is correct and this is IWO. The fields on IWO could accomadate a B-29 landing that was the big reason for taking IWO to provide an emergency strip and to allow fighter escort top be based there. The title on the picture says the island was fogged in is why the plane ditched in the water.
IIRC, battle damaged B-29s were landing on Iwo within two weeks and well before the island was secured. No saying when they might have ditched offshore.
Eagle 1
I also read of instances of damged B-29s landing on Iwo in the middle of the campaign to take the island so even though tthis photo is undated looks pretty definite that the lugs made it to the Pacific before the war ended.
the first B29 [joltin josie] arrived on saipan october 12th 1944 , she was the first plane in the marianas , by the last week of october there were enough B29s on saipan to make the first combat training mission possible , the first actual mission was against the japanese on truk , the first six were against them on truk and iwo ,
we were bombing iwo nov 5th , 8th , dec 8th & 24th , so iwo wasnt a ditch point till after that ,
there werer three photo missions flown over tokyo by 'tokyo rose' before the first bomb run , she was actualy the first US bomber sinc doolittles strike ,
first tokyo raid was november 24th , my fathers birthday was spent flying 6 hours there and 6 hours back , led by general Odonnell in 'dauntless dotty' with major Morgan[memphis bell] in the copilot seat of his plane ,
the battle for iwo jima began feb 19 1945 ,
march 4th was the day the first B29 landed on iwo , march 10th the first combat mission plane landed she refueled and returned to saipan , 2400 landed there for help , in addition to those that bailed out or ditched , from the 73rd wing off saipan and the 58th wing off tinnian before the end of hostilities , iwo was the halfway mark ,
that photo is from page 154 , of the 20th air force album which covers the 20th bomber comand 5 jun 44 to 2 sep 45 , im looking at my fathers copy as im typing , my signature is that book open to "our babys" nose art with his 73rd wing albumn , my avitar is the tail of "our baby" , A square 10 , on the cover of yank , his plane sitting on hardstand - saipan , dec 7th 1944
so yes , this is near the end of WWII and that carbine is fitted with a bayo lug ,
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ONETS003-1.jpg
Some time ago, I posted a picture of a soldier in a jeep during the plum rains on Okinawa that had a carbine with a bayonet lug. Your picture is only the second photo that I've seen showing a lug during the war. So as far as I'm concerned, two pictures makes a fairly convincing cse.