i didn't know this...quite cool

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"Ballistically, the M1 carbine's little .30 Carbine cartridge packs about 2.5 times the kinetic energy of a standard .45 ACP or 9mm load fired from a pistol. This is solidly in the energy territory of the .44 Mag. revolver. Indeed it has only 90 ft./lbs. less energy at the muzzle than the Russian 5.45x39mm cartridge and is only a little farther behind the .223 when fired from 14.5" or 16" barreled carbines."
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The M1 Carbine For SELF-DEFENSE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET

I can believe it. On one occasion I saw the results of a 'dispute' between two drug sellers and their supplier. One was hit in the leg, the other in the arm. Both rounds struck bone, pulverizing it. One's now called "Gimpy" the other "Stumpy".

They don't bounce off of windshields like the .223 is known to at road blocks... 30 carbine penetrates car bodys rather well by comparrison too.Here's a live link to the above posted article.
The M1 Carbine For SELF-DEFENSE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET

Good read- good to see a nice story about carbine(or old rifle)

thers's a thread with WWII training video.
Shows theCarbine perforating a nazi helmet.

The M1 carbine has a less than satisfactory knock-down rating from the GIs who used them on the Chinese in Korea. The M1 Garand was the weapon of choice over the carbine.

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tmark: The M1 carbine has a less than satisfactory knock-down rating from the GIs who used them on the Chinese in Korea.

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I don't think I'd touch this with a 10 foot piece of frozen goat rope :move eek:

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The M1 carbine has a less than satisfactory knock-down rating from the GIs who used them on the Chinese in Korea. The M1 Garand was the weapon of choice over the carbine.

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O.K. I'll open the can of worms!From what I understand the coats the chinese wore were thick and of a tight weave that made them somewhat bullet proof at longer distances. I bet .45's bounced off. .02

Who doesn't want a bigger gun when it's on? Funny tho we never hear how under powered a 9mm SMG was..German MP40.. The Carbine has more than double the power of the 9mm.. The Soviets used the 7.62x25 in their SMGs.. 74gr bullet@1600fps.. Killed Germans well enough in the Russian winter..

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The M1 carbine has a less than satisfactory knock-down rating from the GIs who used them on the Chinese in Korea. The M1 Garand was the weapon of choice over the carbine.

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Well, to start with we better stipulate that most GIs are Bullsh*t Artists and in no way weapons experts especially in "knockdown rating" (whatever that is)and ballistics.
This argument is like comparing a BB gun to a .22 rifle and then claiming an epiphany.
They are two different firearms;designed and built for two different purposes.That one firearm is somewhat less than another in its designed performance does not mean it is a failure;indeed it only means that it suffered a bad comparison.
Festus

"Funny tho we never hear how under powered a 9mm SMG was..German MP40.. The Carbine has more than double the power of the 9mm.. The Soviets used the 7.62x25 in their SMGs.. 74gr bullet@1600fps.. Killed Germans well enough in the Russian winter.."

The above is very true.

It seems that only the Americans were preoccupied with caliber deficiency issues. The rest of the world seemed satisfied with the caliber of the weapons they used against their foes.

I've been carrying a M1 carbine in M1A1 configuration as a LEO patrol carbine for nearly 10 years and have been very pleased with it. I regulary shoot side by side with black rifles in LE tactical training courses and the M1 carbine holds it's own, and it a few cases has some measurable advantages. Unfortunately, the one disadvantage these days is cost of ammo.

My carbine is totally built from scratch with a new Springfield, Inc., receiver with a unused Winchester barrel and unissued USGI parts. Operates flawlessly with soft or hollow point ammo and is plenty accurate.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...99295973-1.jpg

Back in 1998 my department procured 65 surplus M1 carbines from a law enforcement only source. It was here that I first had the opportunity to really learn about M1 carbines and how to make them work as if your life depended on them. I was tasked with making as many of these carbines serviceable as law enforcement patrol carbines to be issued to both full time and reserve sheriff's deputies in our department. Although it was not my full time assignment, it was an assignment that I thoroughly enjoyed and after about a year and a half I had all 65 completely stripped, cleaned, repaired and serviced (replacing springs, extractors, entire bolts and slides as needed) and stocks refinished or replaced. I actually refinished around 40 of the stocks back to near original configuration, and for the record I prefer BLO over Tung Oil.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...25747685-1.jpg

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I've been carrying a M1 carbine in M1A1 configuration as a LEO patrol carbine for nearly 10 years and have been very pleased with it. I regulary shoot side by side with black rifles in LE tactical training courses and the M1 carbine holds it's own, and it a few cases has some measurable advantages.

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Do you get any strange looks from the black rifle crowed? +1 on your departments acquisition. It is a shame about the price and availability of ammo. I know some of the smaller departments, in my area, are having trouble with all calibers and curtailing shooting range sessions.

Combine that 1950 fps with a hollow-point and you have a real urban winner! On the Korea question, I'd agree with BS and operator error. My guess is the boys were firing too soon on auto fire out of panic in 'human wave' attacks. Recoil moved the muzzles up and sent their fire too high. That plus the heavy, frozen coats. The .30 Carbine has adequate penetration at 100 yards even with heavy, frozen coats, but you have to hit the target. I'm guessing they were spraying fire over their heads starting at 300 yards. With the more powerful semi-auto M1 Rifle, I'd say the tendency would be to take better aim for each shot.

Did you do any "polishing" of feedramp for minimizing softnose stuttering?
Did that to mine, no loves the softnosed ammo.

"no", should read "now" The oldhiemers kicking in!

Ive never had to do any work to any of my carbines to make them work. Ive used them in each one of my carbines at one time or another and never had any feeding problems or problems of any sort in any of them.
Just a thought, and I could be wrong about it... possibly a slightly weak recoil spring could cause the slide not to return with enough strength to easily chamber a round with a soft tip.
John

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Did you do any "polishing" of feedramp for minimizing softnose stuttering?
Did that to mine, no loves the softnosed ammo.

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