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M1C test rifle? Franken-gun? :confused:
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http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9192643
M1C test rifle? Franken-gun? :confused:
It may be something rare as no one caught the No Trap plate on the back on other forums that talked about it. Tiger stripes like that were on special rifles also so without digging deeper no one will really know. I would like to think it is rare and not a put together. Rick B
Franken-Garand. Great description by seller. Note description of manufacturer. Also note 17 bids.
No serial number??? The stampings on the heal don't look right either. Font is wrong. Fishy!
I was surprised not to see it discussed here. I waited until the auction closed to post in case someone was bidding from here. Lots of folks on the CMP Garand page opining, but not many seemed "informed" (one or two). The M1C mount looks correct to me (as much as can be seen?). I think the "not sure who made receiver" from seller says something by omission.
Is he quoting the heat lot # on right leg as the serial #? Just a WAG. bells ringing here, lights flashing, something ain't kosher.
da gimp
OFC, Mo. Chapter
All of these auctions, when silent on the provenance, are learning opportunities. The student is the winner, but the educated are the folks who get to learn by the student's experience. An education is in progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by da gimp
Value and provenance go hand in hand. One cannot exist without the other.
And what I've remembered from auctions, and post auction analysis over the years is this hard learned lesson:
"If there is doubt, there is no doubt".
What is so strange is the company has been around since 1959. That is 40 years. He does not know who made the receiver and as dagimp says, he is using the drawing number as the serial number. So in 40 years of business this is the first Garand he has seen???
Those markings are rolled as the metal is pushed out of the letters from pressure and no serial number was put on then final buffing. The receiver is a square cut matching the presentation No Trap stock so the mount and butt plate alone are worth more than the auction sales price. The Stock is worth more by itself so in reality you could have parts this rifle out for a few thousand easily but I still think it is a Springfield made rifle having no serial number and was used in testing.
I also have a many receiver pictures showing SA changed there lettering many times and this one falls right in there.
I hope the new owner can let us know. Rick B
Dury's knows M1's. They know what they have. Or don't. Or they are just unsure. Or they know and don't want to say. Or, they want to say, but don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark1
When a dilemma exists like that, the surest way to avoid a conflict (or a lawsuit) is to just stay silent and let the audience fill in the missing information.
Happens all the time in movies. Our imagination can be more powerful than any description.
Dury's isn't new on the block. One of the oldest existing gunshops in San Antonio Texas. If they didn't spell out the description in the auction there was a very good reason, which to me, is a red flag. Their silence speaks volumes more than any description.
I beg to differ on them knowing what they had. They could have stripped that rifle and made three times what he did or more. You may hold him in high standards but that doesn’t mean nothing slips by every now and then. We all can kick ourselves for something like this from our past.
No Trap stock= $1,500.00 plus
No Trap PLate= $500.00 plus
Scope mount= $700.0 plus
Then the rest of the parts.
Rick B
If it is all real. I didn't see any close up shots of anything to be able to say for sure. Rick, I know you know more than you are saying. Do you know something we don't? :dunno::confused::rolleyes:
I stated somewhere on a forum I thought this one was a "sleeper" that was missed by most,myself included. I would like to see the buyer post all about it someday because I think Rick B is on the right track. That rifle,at least based on the pics,smells old,not fake.
On the early Garands, wasn't the forward end of the bolt camming pocket, just forward of the handle, shaped diagonally, like this early Winchester:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif
rather than blocky like this from the item in question:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif
There's some time data.
Bob
Yes, up until about 20,000 I believe.
Also notice that the rear handguard does not have the clearance cut, but rather is dented from the op rod. This is very interesting to say the least. Lots of things I didn't notice first, second and third time around. Good catch on the square cut RickB! (I'd like to see the left front end of the receiver to see if it is swept back like the WRA receivers. The lettering reminds me of the gas trap receiver in one the GCA Journals from about a year or so ago).
In addition, I see what I think is a WRA lower band, front sight and possibly stock ferrule (it's difficult to see but the staking looks sort of like the WRA - again the pic is dark and hard to see) so maybe it is an early WRA stock - weren't they usually made from fancy wood out of the custom shop? The early '43 barrel if it gauges good and the round front clip latch are nice items also.
If they know so much about Garands, I'd think they knew which way the rear sling swivel went for proper installation.
Something is terribly wrong. Either the rail is fake or someone bunged up a perfectly good receiver when they misaligned the middle socket head screw hole. HTH
I would like to see what is under the scope base; that is where CAI put their name and serial number.
Jim
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Originally Posted by Jim K
It is a real SA Garand and in the 12,000 serial range. I compared the stampings and there 100% real I state my life in it. Rick B