Hello,
in a former thread i wrote i want to restore a Schmidt-Rubin Gewehr 96/11.
Now i am ready with that rifle. Here a few pics.
Regards,
Gunner
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Hello,
in a former thread i wrote i want to restore a Schmidt-Rubin Gewehr 96/11.
Now i am ready with that rifle. Here a few pics.
Regards,
Gunner
Gunner, if that is the 96/11 that is now landing everything in the bull, be careful. The old saying goes: do not pull up the plants to see how the roots are going.
I would NOT soak the stock to get out dents. Just think: it's has about a century to stabilize. And it is a very long stock. It will only take a tiny amount of warping to send the grouping right off again. If it is a good shooter, and you want to keep it that way, do not soak the wood. Ever.
Also, If you dismantle it, note the position of the screw heads before moving them. That will at least help you to get roughly the same screw torque when you reassemble it.
Patrick
Patrick, yes that is the rifle. No fear i let the dings in the stock it`s a part of her history. I cleaned it carefuly and added two thin layers of BLO and the 3 part of each stockwax on it. Thank you for the advice.
Best Regards
Gunner
Patrick, i forgot do you know the meaning of word in the 3rd Pic?
Regards
Gunner
Well I might, if I could read them.
Could you please decipher and post the wording?
Patrick
From the position, I would expect a place name or (maybe) organization name.
Take a look on the butt just behind the tang. Is there a 2-letter stamp there. This would be a canton arsenal stamp , e.g. BE for Bern or BL for Basel. If we knew that, it might be possible to identify the place.
Patrick
Hello Patrick,
the word is THURBAL. There is no other letter than a "B" on it. Hope this helps a little.
Regards
Gunner
Well, that's got me beaten. I can't find THURBAL as a place name OR a family name. I suppose it could conceivably be some kind of abbreviation, but the Swiss shooter I could ask is on holiday, so I can't help any more at the moment.
Patrick
Hello Patrick,
to find out a rifles history is sometimes heavy stuff. If you think thats easy they have all wrote down, than you got a rifle wich is not reported. But it`s fine that you make any efforts to help me . Thank you !
Best Regards,
Gunner
Thr trouble with THURBAL is that it is annoyingly close to THURGAU - the only canton name that fits. THUR.A. PLease check the B and L again.
Patrick
Hello Patrick, The Thurgau was my first thought by having a fast eye on the rifle. I`ll send you a bigger pic of it. Just a moment
Gunner
Here is the pic. But cant get it better.
Gunner
Patrick, the word is really THURBAL. Never heard this.
Gunner
The last letter really is an L - because of the square corner at bottom left. So no Thurgau. I give up (for the moment).
Patrick
Thank you, Patrick. Hope that your Swiss shooter has a chance to enlighten these puzzle.
Regards
Gunner
Could be an archaic spelling, the "Germanic alphabet" went through some changes during the early 20th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
German alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alfred, you have drawn a false conclusion fom the Wikipedia source.
The "went through some changes during the early 20th century" in Wikipedia refers to the SPELLING alphabet, i.e the German equivalent of Alpha, Bravo Charlie Delta etc. Not the actual letters that make up the aphabet.
Patrick
Actually there are several other sources you can look up that go into greater detail on alternative spellings and deletion of letters and such. Not that I'd know how the Swiss go about spelling place names, but one site mentions the deletion of a Germanic letter that looks like an oddly shaped upper case B with the upper part smaller than the lower, and changes in the rules of spelling, some letters only being used before or after certain other letters with the sound of the word or its meaning being altered. Some words no longer resemble other words and they go into these changes by comparing famous poems and such printed in three or more styles separated by a number of years. Complicated, and of no importance to us unless it explained anomalies in spelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
example
The B like character they speak of doesn't really look like our uppercase B as the images on the linked page will show.Quote:
Switzerland and Liechtenstein
The 'ß' character was gradually abolished in Switzerland and Liechtenstein from the 1930s onwards, and has now been completely replaced by 'ss'. It has been suggested that the increasing usage of typewriters has been a cause of the disappearance of 'ß'. As Swiss typewriters could be used by the country's German, French, Italian and Rumantsch speakers, keyboard space was limited if keys for all of the accented characters used in these languages were to be included and there was no room for a 'ß' key. After the Neue Zürcher Zeitung became the last Swiss German newspaper to stop using 'ß' in 1974, the character now only appears in a few publications that are aimed at the German-speaking market as a whole rather than at the domestic Swiss market.
German Alphabet: Umlauts and 'ß' - Paul Joyce
PS
Much of the English language was not standardized as to spelling and definitions until the early 20th century. Spelling could vary from one region to another much less from one country to another. You can find odd spellings of common words in 19th and early 20th century works.
Some of my older Bibles have the 18th century style s that looks like a lower case f.
Just figured there may have been reason why the lettering on the stock doesn't match the modern spelling of a place name.
The end of the line for Thurbal?
No such town or village
No such personal name found in CH-telephone book
The large B after Thurbal could be ???
Canton markings: BE = Bern, BL = Basel, BS = Basel Stadt
As you see, the canton marking requires at least 2 letters in order to be unmbiguous.
I have just spoken with my Swiss friend, and he cannot suggest anything else.
So that is the end for the moment. Mystery unsolved.
Patrick
Thank you Patrick for your efforts. Try to find it out because mysterys are very interesting.
Best regards
Ulrich