Does anyone have any experience with the .22 LR conversion for a M16A2? I'm thinking about buying one.
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Does anyone have any experience with the .22 LR conversion for a M16A2? I'm thinking about buying one.
yes , i like mine , so well in fact i got one for each of my kids rifles as well , cheap plinking fun ,
my dedicated 22 cal upper is more accurate when that is critical
I've been using an air force model 22 subcal in my AR's for over 20 years. They are dang fun , but I don't use any A2 barrels ( no 1-7 or compromise 1-9 twists ).
The Ceiner kit is excellent too , and with Black Dog making good quality high cap mags for it - it's a blast !.
There are a couple of websites where folks allege that they ordered from Ciener, who just held their money & refused to send their orders. Can't verify that, though. I guess you could order through a retailer, but getting parts or service could be a problem in future.
Several retailers are selling the CMMG conversion. I haven't heard any reports on that unit, but I'm thinking of taking a chance.
CMMG units are the same as Ciener & they work good
Use mine for highpower practice at 50 and 100 yards. Not as accurate as a dedicated but who has 1100 sitting around for one these days. It will hold the 10 ring of a reduced target at 100 so practice is worthwhile.
I have not had any dealings with Ciener over AR conversions - of course, after my dealings with him regarding subcaliber kits for the BHP, I'm not likely to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neal Myers
Where do I start? He was told specifically not to send faxes to my wife's workplace (anti-gun folks) - he did anyways... twice. He sent the wrong kit - but I still got to pay the return shipping to him and the shipping for the proper kits. None of the kits we purchased (3) would reliably cycle any of four BHP's they were tested in - two of which were almost NIB. Refuses to answer his phone. His idea of "service" is that if his kits don't work, then your firearm must be a piece of junk and you need to send it to him and allow him to modify it because it cannot POSSIBLY be his product.
We finally saw the writing on the wall, gave up on him, and paid competent smiths to fix his workmanship. Oddly, after they'd figured out what was wrong with the kits as they came from him, they seemed to work in ALL the BHPs we installed them on... I guess those pistols weren't in such bad shape after all. Maybe FN does know more bout making BHPs than Ciener knows about making reliable BHP conversions...
Anyways, if you're looking for a conversion for a BHP, Ciener pretty much has you by the short and curlies. If you're looking for a conversion for something else, after my experience I'd strongly suggest you maybe look at other offerings.
Don't expect anything resembling customer service. In nearly 50 years of shooting, buying gun stuff, reloading equipment, etc I have never dealt with an individual or company that was anywhere near as bad as Ciener.
Whatever you choose, however, you pays your money and takes your chances.
The kit I used for years was an Achisson. It worked flawlessley in any AR I tried. Although ALL the reports say don't use them in the tight twist barrels,9,7 inch twist I had NO problem with the service rifle function or accuracy. Of course that was years before I knew you couldn't do that.
Have one from CMMG, and it's great. The Black Dog mags work perfect. Don't buy from JAC, 'cause his customer service, isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by joem
After break-in, the CMMG kit now runs 100%. The rate of fire is amazing.
Sounds like a buzz gun (m11, 9mm). Dumps a 27 rnd. mag in just over two seconds.
I would suggest getting a dedicated upper, because you will use the fun-toy often, and it will deposit a lead ring just in front of the insert. You will need to get rid of the lead before transitioning to 5.56mm, or you risk a catastrophic disassembly.
All-in-all, a wise investment, considering the price of ammo since the coronation of the Purple-lipped Potentate.
Enjoy
Bud
i've also heard mixed reports re ciener; if it works all is good; it's just the customer service i'd be concerned with
Look at 1911forum.com or any other forum website where shooters may be using Ciener conversions. It doesn't take long to find posts from people writing about how their Ciener conversions didn't work from the moment they opened the shipping box. And even if they could get through to Ciener, all they got was abuse and screaming over the telephone about how stupid they were, wasting his time, etc.
You've got to be uninformed, stupid, or desperate to buy from that man.
I was uninformed...
Our CMMG device , Black Dog Mag's , and Federal 500 packs have worked very well from the start. The combination seems to get excellent reviews from other users as well. I wouldn't bother with anything else.
I've got a CMMG in my RR AR in a dedicated upper. It shoots fine, functions flawlessly, accuracy is good, only problem is it won't extract an unfired round should you want to clear the gun before emptying the magazine. That's rare but sometimes happens (wink). Seems the extractor just doesn't get an adequate grip on the rim. Anybody know of a fix?
That happens with my ar22 also. If you open the bolt quickly, sometimes the brass shell will eject, if not I carry a screw together cleaning rod to push the shell out.
Before you buy a Ciener conversion kit, check out this website: Do Not Buy Ciener .22lr conversions You might change your mind on this brand. HTH, KarlKW
i have heard all of the horror storys about dealing with ceinar , in my case it was just the opposite - not only did my conversions [2] work flawlessly right out of the box but my phone contacts reguarding shipping dates were well recieved , and they actually came early ,
that said i did buy one from spikes tactical , its a chrome version and slightly improved design , it too functioned flawlessly and they were excelent to deal with , shipped promptly , excelent quality and a satisfied customer ,
while my deedicated upper is more consistantly accurate ive had good results with the ceinar in my colt M16A1 upper on my retro rifle , i think its a 1/12 and that may be why