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Winner: C*******7
Current Price: $3,010.00
NO RESERVE!! Here's a very nice Ithaca 1911A1 that was manufactured in early 1944. This pistol is in excellent condition and retains about 99% of the original parkerized finish.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...20090810043255
You know what they say, "they're worth what you get for them" I just hope that the fake box didn't add too much to the final price.
It's in really nice condition, but the final bid price does surprise me too.
Len
nice pistol with great pics, and lots of them, thats how an auction is supposed to look.
even with the repro box.
top dollar, but if your looking for a sweet addition, and have the money, why not spend it?
I agree Chuck. Everyone is happy.
The new owner didn't pay the market value by any means, and this is not "The Price of Admission", but he wanted it.
Who knows his rationality for placing such a high proxy bid to get what he wanted, but he has the disposable cash to buy what he wants and placed a bid beyond what a reasonable bidder would pay.
The buyer is happy he has the power to get what he wants from everyone else bidding and he gets a new toy he won't appreciate.
Seller is happy! 'Jack the Dog' gets a good commission too and he's pleased with his selling technique and feels he's duped many more people with good photos and his 'box'. (Nice salesmanship!)
and feels he's duped many more people with good photos and his 'box'. (Nice salesmanship!)
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Mark (Wiprud) is indeed a good salesman and does an excellent job of posting pictures but I don't think the word "duped" belongs anywhere in the same sentence.
I have done business on several occasions with Mark, contacted him about auctions, etc. and he is an extremely honest and honorable gentleman. he isn't an expert on 1911s and makes it clear he suspects the box is fake. that doens't rise to the level of deceipt in my book.
He knows it's not a real box. Plain and simple.
I agree that Mark runs an honest auction, and in the past he has changed his information when he found out that something was not original or correctly identified.
I also agree that anyone should know the box is fake, and not even the same type as used by Ithaca. It would have been better left out of the ad.
I didn't mean this to go against Mark, as much as saying some people will pay way too much as the result of a good polished ad. He does an outstanding job with his ads and photos.
I am disappointed in him at the way he's now including these boxes in such a way though. Any dishonesty in an auction or sale gets to me, but I guess it's just salesmanship. I'm sure the buyer could care beans about the box and it does look like an outstanding 1911A1.
That pistol looks near perfect to me. Just what price do you think is "fair and reasonable" for such as piece? Just curious. '45's of WWII in that condition are becoming increasingly harder to find -- or perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places. Comments?
As to Mark -- I've dealt with him for years. He's about the most honest and ethical guy I've found on any of these auctions.
Mike
At least one other bidder was willing to pay $3000. I just do not see it being worth that much but it obviously was to at least 2 bidders. Stating that the box is not original would be more wise.
I probably know more about collecting 1911s than Mark (Jackthedog) and that is VERY little, and me personally, I would have NO DANG IDEA whether the box was original or not, other than the fact that I know boxes are indeed faked/
Thus if Mark knows LESS than me, the fact that he clearly indicates the box is likely fake, is all he can do. The gun is virtually brand new, a nice box isn't too strange. I guess a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse sometimes.
Mark is a CONSIGNMENT seller. He simply conveys what the consignors tell him about the guns sent to him.
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the price paid is fair for the new owner, and the seller. It's what they agreed upon. If folks want to presume to know more than those two, well, they're critics, I suppose, but really don't have any business in the transaction. They just think they do. I've noticed that a lot of people love to bitch about what someone pays for something, but especialy if it's a nice piece. So the auction price was too high for most of the collectors who are known for voicing thier opinions, what does that tell you? if you are a collector, and prices are too high, then perhaps it's time to consider selling, you can always take the money and run. laissez faire ... if you don't have a place in that, then you're just a bitch, or a bystander. It's like the stock market. All the whiners are losers. Many may disagree, and I welcome your explanation as to why capitalism shouldn't apply to trading guns... at least we're still allowed to do that, here in America.
As a side note, I can't even begin to reason how good pictures could be misconstrued as duping, unless voiced by persons who excell in twisting the truth, like joeseph goebbels, or saddam hussien, or maybe bernie madoff. If everyone listed pictures like JTD does,then prices, at least for top end collectibles, would probably soar. Then you relly could bitch!
At least we can assume the seller was a capitalist.