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it does smell a little fishy....
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Yeah....well....where the trigger weight counts, they use REAL weights and don't take many/any excuses! One of the guys that placed VERY high (2nd or 3rd) in the Vintage Rifle Match at the Nationals Friday with a K-31 was eventually DQ'ed when his rifle failed to pass trigger-weight! Embarrassing!
the swiss k 31 trigger probably had holes in it.
May be.....but those goofy little gizmos sure as heck can shoot....any "holes" notwithstanding!
The fish scale I saw was more reliable than this one. They used a postal scale to weigh a bass at exactly 4 lbs, 8 oz. They used it by placing a hook in the fish's mouth and a second on the tirgger and raising the rifle off the ground. If the flopping fish did not release the trigger, the gun passed.
kirk, down here we'd have had to cut a bass in half to get it to 4 1/2 lbs
The minimum pull for a K31 (and the Gew1911 series) in the Swiss rulebook is 1300 grams. That works out to 2.86 lbs. You frequently have to tinker with a Swiss trigger to get it to hold the 3-1/2 lbs that the US rules require. When CMP invented the Vintage Match, I asked if they would respect the foreign rules. You woulda thought that I violated somebody's daughter ....
I use a prehistoric set of NRA-Certified weights.
Resp'y,
Bob S.
When and if you shoot in Switzerland....you can certainly play by their rules. If you are going to shoot in the US (or in anything governed by the ISU....they are the one's mandating the 1.6 kg minimum trigger!)....you play by ours. What part of that is hard to understand?
The intent of the Foreign Military Bolt Match (as it was called then) was that rifles would conform to their original specifications. (What part of "as-issued" isn't clear?) CMP has since decided that is too hard to police, so everyone must conform to artificial US rules, like carburetor restrictor plates in NASCAR. That's not hard to understand, but shooters who choose the Swiss rifles need to be warned that they may have to alter their triggers to conform with the US rules. I have 3 of 6 K31's and 2 of 4 Gew 1911 that would not hold the 3-1/2 lb weight as I received them.
BTW, the ISSF rules (it hasn't been ISU in years) for Standard Rifle trigger pull is 1500 grams, not "1.6 kg".
Resp'y,
Bob S.
That's the ISU (I'm an old dog Bob with no interest in what the Frogs are calling things these days) Big Bore rules....they have a "Military Rifle" class at 1.6 kg, or 3.5 lbs, which is recapitulated in IIRC, NRA HP Rule 3.1.5 (Foreign Service Rifle). That's the part of "as issued" that obtains, and it's an issue of safety and uniformity. Oh...and for what it's worth, my 3 K-31's have NO problem passing a Vintage Rifle trigger weight....neither did the MANY other K-31's that shot in the Match Friday, including the Match Winner! Funny that only ONE rifle had a problem with the trigger weight when if, as you say, they ALL have under-weight triggers "as issued"? Curiouser and curiouser!
I don't believe that's what I said. The minimum is 1300 grams. Some will be high enough to hold the 3-1/2 lb weights. See above. I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kepler
"shooters who choose the Swiss rifles need to be warned that they may have to alter their triggers to conform with the US rules." Italics added.
Were all triggers weighed and marked with colored tape prior to firing or ammo issue? If not, how can you say that all of them held the 3-1/2 weight, except the one that that belonged to this one poor SOB who, it seems, had already fired a very high score? I don't feel that bad for him, he should have made certain that his rifle was legal prior to entering the match.
I am also prehistoric, been shooting competitively since 1965. ISU -> UIT, now ISSF. "Army Rifle", is and was the purview of CISM. The CISM rifle is and was a 300 meter Standard Rifle, 1500 gram minimum trigger, that is a repeater. The two I currently own and use are a Winchester Model 70 International Army Rifle, and Grunig and Elmiger built on a 1954 K31 action. They both also meet the rules for NRA Match Rifle, although the new Bleikers and G&E CISM rifles don't ... the stocks are about 1/4" too deep.
The NRA rule for Foreign Service Rifle is 3.1.4. Trigger pull must be 4-1/2 lbs. That's not 3-1/2 lbs or 1.6kg.
We're W-A-Y off topic, and you're just digging the hole deeper. Over and out.
Resp'y,
Bob S.
They weighed the Top-10 rifles in each relay plus the top-10 overall, plus a randomly selected 10% shooting (got my Springfield this year). That got most of the K-31's shooting. Yes, there were some that didn't get weighed....but most were and all save one passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob S
First thing we are in apparent total agreement on!Quote:
except the one that that belonged to this one poor SOB who, it seems, had already fired a very high score? I don't feel that bad for him, he should have made certain that his rifle was legal prior to entering the match.
I know who you are Bob, and while you obviously don't remember me...we shot together a couple of times at Perry...Dawber helped me build my .308 Garand.Quote:
I am also prehistoric, been shooting competitively since 1965.