Does this look ok ?

I'm getting a Clawson book, but it probably wouldn't matter if I had it in front of me lol.. I need some more expirence..

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=138402496

The fever for a nice 1911 has had me for a few weeks and I need some relief..:)..There are so many nice 1911's out there and I have so little money.. :(
If I buy one, I want it to be correct.. How does everything look to you guys ?
The ad says the right things? but I would like an honest opinion..

any help is appreciated..

ColtsForever.....It looks correct to me. Fubar Sir has sold many 1911A1 pistols in the past. I believe that he is honest and precise with his discriptions. If I were to say anything negative about it, it would be the condition. The phosphate parkerizing is quite thin. If you like the "been there, done that" look then this is the pistol for you.

Another observation on the RS Colt, The mag is not correct and it looks to me like the Colt marked barrel has a large "G" in front of the lug instead of a small "G"

Duane,

Just like I said, everything sounded right but I didn't know what to look for..

I think, what I need to do is look at examples(gallery pics) of members guns here and the other good forum and see what "correct" examples looks like. Lettering, font, triggers, "G"'s.. I have seen posts where a member will say"the guns ok, except it has the trigger out of a 194X 1911. I need to recognize what a correct part looks like.. I learn quick ..
Why wife will kill me if I spend a ton of money on an incorrect 1911a1 ...That is why I'll ask for help.. :o)

thanks for the help..

After looking at that G for awhile, I noticed the wear pattern is going sideways. 90 degrees off from the sides of the barrel. Is that normal ?
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I need to write on my hand what is correct !.I forgot that I had learned something a few days ago.. If the WB barrel has a small G Up to about 790000,From about 790000 to about 845000 either a small G or a large G was used (with more large G barrels apparently being used, especially after 800000). can I assume that the RS barrel is the same ? (thanks to Scott G. for that info)

That isn't a wear pattern. The milling pattern was parallel to the bore on the sides of the lug, but in front of the lug the milling is perpendicular to the bore in order to get up close to the lug.

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That isn't a wear pattern. The milling pattern was parallel to the bore on the sides of the lug, but in front of the lug the milling is perpendicular to the bore in order to get up close to the lug.

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Thanks for the help JP ! I'm learning a little more every day.
I am sure of one thing, I won't forget the "G" ranges again ..

You need to go to www.coolgunsite.com and check out all the correct Colt markings. And while you are their you should order Clawson's Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Srevice Pistols. And also get one of his CDs. Both items together are around $60 total if my memory serves me.

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You need to go to www.coolgunsite.com and check out all the correct Colt markings. And while you are their you should order Clawson's Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Srevice Pistols. And also get one of his CDs. Both items together are around $60 total if my memory serves me.

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My grandaughter wanted to go for a Harley ride, so we went up and got a money order and mailed it. I ordered the Clawson guide and the CD .

Even though I'd like to have a1911a1 yesterday, I'm going try and be patient ..

thanks for the help :)

Patience is definately a virtue when it comes to buying your first Pistol. Learning as much as you can from knowligible Collectors, handling and observing examples that are known to be totally correct is a must. Then you can buy with confidence when the time comes.

The problem with many descriptions that list "Correct" things is that they often do not bother to list all the incorrect things. There is also a difference between correct and original. While some people may be honest, I find that of little value regarding descriptions. Descriptions are either correct or incorrect regrdless of how honest a person might be. The key is to learn the pistols. I don't typically try to characterize sellers. I try to stick with the guns and the descriptions. This seller has sold some items in the past I felt were incorrecty described as correct, original, matching or original finish. He has sold some others that I thought were correctly described. I recall a barrel he had on auction that was not authentic and had bogus markings applied to it. Buying this week and selling next week, while racking up a lot of sales and feedback, is no indication of knowledge or honesty IMO. So I normally do not pay any attention to that kind of stuff. I try to know the guns well enough to spot what's wrong with them aqnd stick with that information to make my decisions to buy.

The barrel is not original or correct for the serial range. The "P" proofs do not match IMO. Matching "P" proofs are not even a requirement on Colt pistols, as the "P" proofs were applied prior to finish on Colt pistols and were not hand-stamped. The bottoms of the two "P" proofs do not appear to be identical to me in the photos. There is also a little blem in the one "P" just below the loop that does not appear in the other "P". "Matching P proofs" show identical, identifiable characteristics...like a fingerprint with little, specific markings. Look for all the unique characteristics in a "P" proof to determine if it matches another.

The slide number and and markings determine that this pistol's slide matches the frame...not the "P" proofs. "P" proofs only mean something on the pistols where they were applied after finish. Those are NOT Colt pistols in the 1st place. "P" proofs mean something on Singer, Remington Rand, US&S and Ithaca pistols. They have to match precisely on those pistols to be considered original.

Some people may not realize it, but Colonel Robert Sears (or any other Inspector of Ordnance) did not inspect and mark pistols. Civilians who worked under his authority for the Ordnance Dept did that task.

The magazine is a post-war commercial aftermarket.

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The problem with many descriptions that list "Correct" things is that they often do not bother to list all the incorrect things. There is also a difference between correct and original. While some people may be honest, I find that of little value regarding descriptions. Descriptions are either correct or incorrect regrdless of how honest a person might be. The key is to learn the pistols.

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You are 100% correct. For someone that knows the pistols, they can completely disregard everything the seller says and rely on what they see. I have seen sellers say the most ridiculous things...

As you have said , correct and original is not the same thing. I don;t doubt that there are some people that are bidding on this auction thinking it is "Correct" when it's not and some people that are bidding, thinking they can put a correct barrel and mag in the pistol,even though it wouldn't be original to the pistol..

For my first military pistol, I hope that I end up with Correct and Original.

thanks again

It's too bad they don't number all the parts, (large and small), including the two matching numbered magazines, kinda like the Lugers:super:

The 1911A1 was made to be completely interchangeable while the Luger was not. During the time the Colt slides were numbered to the receiver, it was for their use rather than the military.

That's what I love about the armory built National Matches, most of them has the frame serial number and the NM parts number on the slide frame and barrel..

I don't have one yet but I might in a couple weeks if I don't buy something first.

So many guns, so little time :)