M1A1 Buttplate

Hey guys, could these be pristine replacement buttplates...USGI or Basement Special? Looks fishy to me...

http://cgi.ebay.com/M1-Carbine-Parat...d=p3286.c0.m14

The finish is much better than the M1A1 buttplates on a carbine parts website based on the far west coast. Check those out once.

It has a little different looking font then the ones I have.

And the placement of my markings start more to the left on the buttplates.

Number on the right side of the circle on both of mine is a 9.

Remember that they are sand cast.:thup:

While we are on this topic, here's a close-up of West Coast guy's M1A1 buttplate..2 fishy details on the checkering that I won't mention (comparing it w/ mine) but what do you guys think of the numbers and asterisk? Unless my eyes are already failing me :D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=139043537

Never under-estimate the tenacity of fake parts "humpers". Carbine folders have been faked for almost 60 years. You can buy a fairly close ord. stamp off flea-bay and pound away until your fingers bleed.

Its a safe bet to deal with someone who has been around awhile, and will offer an unconditional, money back guarentee. For each good deal you get on flea bay, you will get ten green taco's. If you know what I mean.

I may be wrong, but I think that the West Coast Guy is none other than Riverbank Armory & I wouldn't bet a penney on anything he's selling. He ripped me off on a phoney barrel several years ago. Be warned.
Donzi

I hate green tacos

Yeah! Its him....

Its not him... This dealer is in Washington State. ordered one and it looks fine to me. Came in the wrap, paper wrap was then compared with other WW2 period items still in wrap and A-ok! People can fake the parts but Paper dont lie! Just my 2 cents... 442nd...

You should compare it to a real a M1A1 butt plate made by Saginaw Malleable Iron Company during WWII. Then the differences will jump out at you.

Not really good pictures, I didn't want to put powder on the numbers to bring them out.

But both have a bit different font and the numbers located in a different position on the buttplate then the one selling on ebay.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif

https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif

You are correct about the font Jim. (Especially the '4' and '1')
Good eye!

https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif

Corsair to an AT-6, Hummmmm............

My vote is "fake". The font is off (in multiple ways) and there's a "discrepancy" with the wagon wheel (not gonna say what on here).

Both plates linked (GB and EBAY) look different than the one on mine, which is identical to JimF4M1s.

Here's another real one.


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...000_4174-1.jpg

I bought a supposedly NOS WWII machete from Riverbank several years ago. I became suspicious when I read comments on the old CSP about him selling repro machetes. When I contacted him, he became indignant an made some obtuse comment about the quality of his products. He didn't offer to accept a return. I decided that it would be a good candidate for bushwhacking, so I kept it. I've never dealt with him since.

Two original buttplates for comparison

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ock12au3-1.jpg

kelt

Well, that's at least 1, 2, 9, and 11. Does anyone have other numbers?

I have a 4, 9, 10 lot number series... I have noticed that there is no continuity in the alignment of the numbers on the buttplates. I thought about the exact placement of the wagon wheel just right of the center. but according to observations and the comparisons to the photos, that they have for the most part slight variations even for the same lot numbers. perhaps it would be a good subject for study... I have noted on observation that there are several different fonts used. some standard and some are not. Were there any replacement parts made or perhaps post war replacements made? I think it too early in this discussion to solidly draw conclusions. Has anyone tried to contact the seller in washington? just my 2 cents... 442nd

here's mine, mold number 7

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo..._number7-1.jpg

I have one with a 3. Purchased at a gun show in Denver MANY years before CMP reclaimed the ones sent to Italy. I haven't followed the auctions of M1A1's very closely. How many of the M1A1's from the auctions are FAT stamped??

Ray

Mine is an 8.

Mine is an 8 so we now have 1,2,3,4,7,8,9and 11. We still need a 5,6, and 12....

Jimb16
Don't you need a 10? That's what mine is.

Jimb,

I only see pictures posted for 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, and 11.

I think we still need pictures for 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 12

Here are my 5, 8, and 12.