Remingtom Model 11 Riot

new to me riot shotgun, i'm a M1Carbine/1911/11A1 guy first foray into the trench/riot shotgun world. i have what is a nice BUT import marked model 11 riot. it is an all matching #'s weapon i got it from someone i know who i trust and was aware of the importers marking from the start, it's kinda hard not to notice it's stamped above the wood line on the barrel. did some old fashion horse trading on the shotgun of which i'm glad to have a very nice example of IMHO. i hate to even broach the subject but being a FNG to the trench/riot shotgun world i have to ask a value question of which i'm sure the importers mark probably kills some value as it does in the M1 Carbine world i've posted some pic's sorry for the long drawn out post. regards

Stu

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nice ol shotgun, fun to shoot, but kick like a mule.

I know nothing about those, but it sure looks a lot like my dad's old Browning Auto that I carried for many miles/years of quail hunting.

thanks for the replies Chuck & Ron. regards

Stu

I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over the importers marks. Your shotgun is the real deal.

This family of shotgun the Browning Auto 5, Remington Model 11, and Savage 720 is arguably the most historically significant of any military shotgun. The reason being it was this design that caused the schism between John Browning and Winchester. When Winchester would not satisfy Browning on a royalty for the then new design Browning packed up and went to Belgium where FN was only to happy to receive him. The rest, as they say is history.

A few years later manufacturing was licensed to Remington and Savage to bypass restrictive tariffs and get the shotgun to US customers at a reasonable price.

Since these early long recoil could not accomodate handguards, bayonet lugs and sling swivels they were classified as "substitute riot guns".

chuck is right about the kick. This gun sort of kicks you twice. Once when it goes bang and again when the massive bolt and barrel recoil to eject the empty and load a fresh round.

Regards,

Jim

from the Horses mouth so to speak,
Browning told me they made no shotguns during WW2 and let Savage and Remington build them,
seems they had full hands making Machine guns.

:rofl: The Browning Auto 5 was made by FN in Belgium during this time period. The "new owners" during the 40-45 time frame prob'ly strongly objected to any thought of making them for the US Army during that time.
:lol: Have a good one , Chris

I saw one of these at the Dallas Gun Show a few months ago... It was in a little nicer condition and the Dealer was asking $1700 for it. I own one that is in a lot worse shape, and a Gunsmith said it was in the $600 to $700 range.

crispy examples may fetch 1000.00 average M11,s bring 500.00 to 800.00.
Savage 720 riots are rare, and will bring a bit more, if a real riot.

I have an excellent one in my collection BUT it has the one flaw most seem to share: The forehand grip cracks very easily. The good news is the cracks are limited and don't seem to grow. But they appear with very little firing.

This is the third (and nicest) I've owned and they all got that small crack.

They also cycle much better if you really tuck them into your shoulder tight. They aren't always reliable being fired from the hip.

You have a genuine and really nice example there!

HT

When the FN plant was taken over by the Germans, Browning had Remington make their auto 5. This production was 1940-1942 and then resumed after the war from 1945-1948. The collectors now refer to these guns as "American Brownings". I have a 16 gauge made in 1946. They are not marked "Remington" and have serial numbers with a A,B or C prefix depending on the gauge. They are really a model 11 with a magazine cutoff.