New Carbine Today....

The Saginaw SG 3,403,022 I bought came in today. It has a SG receiver with the SG stamp on the left side of the receiver and the wide rear tang. Rear sight is J.A.O. with number.
Barrel is a no date IBM with a tiny P proof stamp. SI-B type II frt sight and AI bayo band. Looks as though the sight was removed possibly just the one time to install the bayo band. I expected the barrel to be a replacement.....but I can't see any scars or signs of it being swapped. Might it be possible.......that a SG 3,403,022 came with a no date IBM barrel? Clean, very nice bore... Everything else black and grimey, but no rust or pitting anywhere. All parts are WWII time frame. No WWII universal replacement parts. I'm leaving early in the morning to help my son move. So for now I just took pictures of the trigger housing and op slide.
Seller thought the TH was a SG... it's a type II NPM marked N 9. Slide is also ( I THINK ) a Type II NPM marked N 9,,,unless I'm reading it wrong and it's actually a N 6. Trigger Type II Winchester with the inverted W. Sear Type II with the ground hole marked IX (or XI ). Hammer Type III H.I. Mag catch Type III with M on the tab and W.I. on the frt tooth.
Early Checkered Type I push Safety.
I need help on this one......Is it Winchester or Inland?
I'll get pictures around of the barrel and receiver later when I get back. Bolt was a SG flat. Very nice Stock, WRA over GHD with CC Lo-wood. Hand guard 4 rivet OI.
Haven't pulled bolt apart or pulled the recoil plate. Also came with a late MRT marked D tip sling, unmarked oiler and very nice ISG 15rd mag.

Pictures of Trigger housing, Op slide and internals.
Main Question is what type of safety is this?
Also is the slide a N9 or N6 ?

TIA
Charlie-painter777


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Nice find!

Sounds like a nice carbine. I have a stock with a S'G' in a box if you need it. Like so many others it does need some TLC. Derrick

Dammit Charlie, thats not fair!!!! I know, I will invoke rule 38.a.(1).(c) of carbine collecting... just for that, you lose 2 carbines and 5 NPM stocks! Pack them up and ship them within three days or I am telling your wife that you have 10 more carbines coming before Thanksgiving!

Seriously, sounds like a nice find. Make sure you post lots of pics when you get back!

Ed

Safety looks like Type 1 Inland. Triggerhousing N 9. Slide 6 N :rofl: turn over N 9.:super: Gene K.

Charlie, Nice carbine but sorry to say the barrel is a replacement. SG made their own and didn't use any of the free issue program barrels till they received some when S'G' ended their production in January 1944. The safety is a Winchester. Good find.

Can someone explain rule 38.a.(1).(c) of carbine collecting...? I want to make sure that I don't violate it. Does this refer to the number of carbines one can own? Please explain. --TIC

Rule 38.a.(1).(c). states that you will not own, purchase, hold or borrow more carbines of a single receiver manufacturer than your assigned collecting team members located within 6 adjancent multi-state area. :madsmile:

Seriously, there is no rule 38.a.(1).(c). That is me being my totally obnoxious and jealous self cause Charlie has a new carbine and I don't. And to top it all off, if you give Charlie 10 days and some warm BLO, it will also be a new carbine with a great looking stock! :beerchug:


But this is Charlie's thread to celebrate his new carbine. Charlie, I really like that safety. The only ones I have actually seen I do believe to be humped. I'm patiently awaiting more pics when you get back.


RBruce, please don't take anything I say seriously unless its accompanied by the word "seriously".

And to let you know, there are only three rules to carbine collecting and are all unwritten. They are:

1) Don't hump or forge parts/stocks;

2) Always disclose the personal preference modifications you make when showing and selling;

3) Never, and I mean NEVER let your wife know exactly how many carbines you have locked in your safe (to her they all look alike and you officially only have "just two").

OK, so keep this secret. I have 1942 , 1943, 1944, and 1945 Inlands - all correct with appropriate fighting knives/bayonets. Plus, a six digit Inland M1A1 with late WWII or Korean conflict modifications. I don't know if this violates the rule, since I don't know anyone close by with a similar collection. Did you get "TIC"?

Nice score!

agree with Bruce on your barrel. the safety is the same type used by Underwood early on got one on my early Underwood and Winchester, N9 or if 6 where 9 that would be fine too. here is a pic of the same style of safety in my Underwood. BTW nice pick up Charlie the early parts are nice to find also congrats

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Took a few pictures of the S.G. receiver mated with a no date IBM barrel.
Finish is dark, almost black on both.
Frt sight type II marked SI B
Barrel with 1/16th P proof 5 1/2" from muzzle.
Receiver marked SG on the left side.
Since this one came with so many NPM parts.....and NPM did use IBM barrels...Thoughts of swapping the receiver have crossed my mind.
Or maybe it's just because of a Very nice lonely NPM Lo-Wood stock sitting here looking at me.

Charlie-painter777

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Charlie, you are right about that being a very dark finish.... is it a re-park?

Ed

Barrel feels and looks fine.
But below the wood line on the receiver feels pretty rough.
You can see it where I show the pic with the SG on the left side.
I don't know what I'm going to do with this one.
I just happened to ask the seller on GB some questions about it. He replied if I was interested he'd end the auction for less than the opening bid would have been. Told him for that price I was interested over the phone....2 minutes later I seen he had cancelled the auction with 4 days and 12 hrs left.
I bought it for $580 shipped. My lead post lists the parts pretty well. Also came with a SG flat bolt and ISG mag.

Go Figure.......

Charlie

Ed,

Are you still acting like your "totally obnoxious jealous self, cause Charlie has a (another) new carbine?" ;)

Yes, I'm jealous too!

Charlie, you posted before I had a chance to post and razz Ed joking with him before I read your post.

I'm so sorry about this one Charlie. Have you contacted the seller to see if he will take it back and refund your money?

Harlan,
The guy sorta pushed it at me like a used car salesman or insurance agent.....
I just couldn't say no.
You know I'm a guy with people skills........LOL

Charlie

Harlan, its not that I am jealous... Charlie and his great deals is the only thing that can make me fall on the floor and kick and scream in a temper tantrum like a 5 year old - I didn't know I could still move like that!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie, how do you get such great deals?

As far as it being a bit rough on the bottom, could it be that the top side, exposed to handling of 60 years, has worn all the roughness away? With the bottom still protected by the wood, it still would be rough from manufacturing.... at least that is logical....

It's my lucky 777.......
That's the jackpot on my favorite slot machine.
My parking spot is 77.7 miles from my home.

Charlie

Damn your luck Charlie! (Painter777)

Thoughts needed........
Should I find a trader who wants a 3,403 mil SG receiver and parked SG flat bolt and swap for a NPM receiver and bolt?
Just thinking since this one came with a (no date) IBM barrel....and IF (?) NPM did use IBM barrels, I could swap out receivers and have a NPM. Of which I currently have no version of.

What would you do?

tia
Charlie-painter777

I need to think on all of this Charlie.

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Thoughts needed........
Should I find a trader who wants a 3,403 mil SG receiver and parked SG flat bolt and swap for a NPM receiver and bolt?
Just thinking since this one came with a (no date) IBM barrel....and IF (?) NPM did use IBM barrels, I could swap out receivers and have a NPM. Of which I currently have no version of.

What would you do?

tia
Charlie-painter777

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While Underwood did provide a large number of barrels for NPM (who never made any of their own) IBM also made barrels for the free-issue barrel program so their barrels would be correct for NPM. I'm not sure, however, that an IBM front sight would be correct for NPM. Doesn't sound like it would hurt to try for a swap, one never knows whether someone might to take you up on it until you try. JMHO