wife bought a M44 Mosin Nagant as a nice gift for me attempemting tooad rifle with Mosin Nagant stripper clips Not doing well What do I need to know? Thanks
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wife bought a M44 Mosin Nagant as a nice gift for me attempemting tooad rifle with Mosin Nagant stripper clips Not doing well What do I need to know? Thanks
Didnt mean to thank you for the post. HahQuote:
Originally Posted by MIKE33
I do not own a Mosin, I have a Kar98k, but the loading methods should be the same. When pushing down on the stripper rounds, push down with your thumb on the part of the bullet closest to the clip (the base). Otherwise you will "bend" the bullet against the clip and no sliding motion will occur.
The brass stripper clips don't seem to be as easy to use as the steel. It takes a bit more practice than some other varieties of rifles to find the best technique. Don't be gentle! That said, you'll bend some clips beyond repair at first, but they were made to be disposable.
I have some Hungarian heavy ball that came loaded on strippers. They physically will not work in any of my MN's. They seem to be made of material that is too thick to allow the rounds to be pushed through with any reasonable amount of force.
Whilst the brass strippers will destroy themselves during a failed loading operation, sometimes the steel ones are too tough to use. make sure they're not a real tight fit in the rifle before using and get them to bottom out before mashing down on the rounds themselves. Gloves may minimize blood loss!:yikes: Do keep that thumb right next to the stripper whilst pushing the rounds into the mag and wiggle them a bit as you go. Gritting your teeth may also help as well as playing MG42 (or MG08/13 for WWI Mosins) firing sounds really loudly! :rolleyes:
And a little dry teflon spray doesn't hurt
Conducted loading trials yesterday w/ 91/30's and a Westinghouse '91
Ammo-
Steel cased laquered (Czech)
Steel cased copper washed (USSR)
Brass case (Chinese and unknown origin 5-pointed star headstamp)
Brass and steel clips/chargers
The 91/30's were easier to load than the '91 as it had a nicely machined but tight charger slot. Mess up w/ the Westinghouse and things really got stuck!
Easier to mess up w/ brass clips- they would seize up w/ less force applied and would often spew rounds out in all directions.
Properly executed, no real difference in force required regardless of clip or case type!
For best results, MAKE DADGUMMED SURE that you DO NOT allow the top of the clip to pivot forward- this will stop everything cold! I found that it was easiest to execute repeated flawless loads whilst grasping the rifle w/ the left hand at the "grasping grooves" , muzzle upwards at about 30 degrees and then seating the clip all the way in the slot (w/o forcing into the mag well!), then positioning the right thumb slightly rearwards w/ the tip actually between the lips of the clip. When pressing down the rounds, maintain REARWARD pressure w/ the thumb so that the clip remains 90 degrees to the action or w/ the top tipped slightly to the rear.
No dramas unless your thumb won't fit at all between the charger lips- a little is all that is needed! DO NOT press the rounds in with a forward position on the rounds; the clip will surely rotate forward and bind.
Again, the steel stripper clips are more forgiving. No lube used!
Once you've done a few good loads its quite easy if there's nothing out of spec. Practice! (I even did these trials right handed just to make sure it all works the same because I normally do it from the LH position.)
Further tests w/ a 1944 M44 and a '91/56 had the same results.
Also tried some factory 21(Hungarian) '76 and '85? vintage as well as some bxn from the '60's -no dramas.
Guessing the average loading force to be about 10-15 lbs!
Do it sort of like this except rotate the loading hand 180 degrees. (thumb rearward!)
http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/SniperM1C-M82Sight.jpg
Mosin chargers are a serious waste of time and money. Most repros are about worthless, and the originals are hard to find and expensive, and usually many are actually repros anyway.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLn5jUjBNrc
And if you are really good...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n98htc9z7ZE
I will try to explain this without a photo.
On your end of the clip that goes into the rifle, polish in inner end about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch in with polishing compound and your dremel tool with buffing wheel attached.
Then take some fine steel wool with oil and work it into the inside of the entire clip. When your done with this clean the clip.
Take your needle nosed pliers and bend your polished end of the clip about 30 degrees so that the bottom bullet will sit tilted towards the top.
Then take your needle nosed pliers and bend the opposite end to that your top round will sit straight up. When done correctly there will only be a very slight jiggle in the rounds.
Your rounds will be loaded and unloaded though the polished end of the clip.
When inserting the rounds, try holding the top round with your thumb and forefinger, once they start going in then just switch to your thumb.
This won't be the final word on Mosin clips, but they seem to work much better now.
:thup:
Saw this also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLn5jUjBNrc&NR=1
Very similar to how I load 'em. Still haven't found the need to go to the extra effort w/ my clips as long as they still hold the rounds securely. I think its mostly a training/ muscle memory thing.
I have an M44, 1948 Soviet. I use Finnish clips my brother got me from the states. If you hang on to the rifle in your left, hand under the mag well with the muzzle pointing behind you, and use your right thumb (facing towards the butt)apply pressure downwards on the base of the top round. Has to be pushed from closest to the rim as you can, too close and youll skin your thumb both sides. Not exactly the way the clips were meant to be loaded, but spreads the weight and lets them slip down alot easier than if you were to do it from a prone position. Essentially just turn the rifle around backwards and push em in. Works for me.
You won't be too popular swinging a freshly loaded rifle about at the range, though! Yikes!
If your nearest neighbor is several miles off, it won't bother me, though. Have at it. Just not while company's about.
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Originally Posted by katooutdoors
This is a more accurate explanation on tuning Mosin clips, the last one was done in a hurry with a few mistakes in it.
One end of your clip needs to be polished about 3/8th inward from the end. I use a dremel tool with the buffing wheel and polishing compound.
Take some oil and 0000 steel wool and work in into the entire inside of the clip.
Bend the tabs on the polished end so the round sits at about
20 degrees.
Bend the tabs on the opposite end so the top round sits almost straight up. When done correctly the rounds will have just a slight jiggle.
When loading and unloading the clip feed them though the polished end only.
To load the magazine, your index finger will be on the tip of the top bullet with your thumb at the rear, once two rounds are in the magazine then use your thumb only the rest of the way.
This won't be the final word on Mosin clips, but they sure work faster now.
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The two videos certainly present us with a challenge, eh? :surrender:
Just don't get in a hurry, at first. Once you figure out what works for you its really nothing more than repeating good loads to the point where muscle memory can take over. Given the fine Soviet style weather we're having:rolleyes:, its a good time to practice!
Well look at that, I had given up on Nagant stripper clips, I guess I'll give it another go when I get home, I keep plenty of brass around for practice anyway... Thanks folks !
Mosins, Sks's. They all use stripper clips. I have several of each. The first time I used a stripper clip, it took me several hours to stop the bleeding. The soft inside portion of my hand got in the way and the clip opened me up!!. Yea, I know, what an idiot. There's a right way and a wrong way to do it. I just load them individually now, and nobodys the wiser. The stripper clips got relegatted to the war chest!!. Sherman out.
Tried the aforementioned technique, no go .... Feels like one needs to rig up a hydraulic press to make mosin stripper clips work ....
Have just ordered some ammo from AIM Surplus,its Polish surplus 5 rounds on Mosin-Nagant chargers.Great price,Hope they load easy and shoot well in my 91-30 and M-38. Will post results after next range trip.
Folks, excuse me if I'm stepping out of place, but my confuser can't get all those u-tube thingamusses.
A lot of people try loading the MN rifle THEIR way, much as the guys with the so-called "Enfields" (LEE rifles and Pattern 14s) try loading the chargers their way.
The .303 guys go through all kinds of contortions which could be avoided if they were to load the darned chargers the BRITISH ARMY'S WAY instead of THEIR way.
I suspect the same thing is going on here.
A .303 charger is loaded DUDUD: Down-Up-Down-Up-Down. From the side, it looks like this: _-_-_, with the bullet points up above the line, of course.
The 7.62x54R charger is loaded "pyramid fashion": outer rounds touching the charger back, inner rounds riding on the outer rounds, middle round riding on the inner rounds. From the side it looks sort of like this: _-!-_.
In both cases, you inspect the charger for correct loading before it goes into your bandoleer or ammo pouch. The charger is put in place in the charger guides of the rifle and the rounds are swept into the magazine in a single sweeping motion of the right hand: all at once; you don't "feel" them into position, just bang 'em in.
The method is detailed and illustrated in the "Text Book of Small Arms - 1909".
It isn't my method, guys: it's the Tsar's.
Works, too.
Hope this helps.