I am hoping someone can give me some information on this reproduction/restoration.
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I am hoping someone can give me some information on this reproduction/restoration.
I don't know the rifle specifically but I don't really see all that much to get excited about. Stock is new/repro fer sure, rear sight is later, lots of little parts are not gastrap era, I would guess that most of the hard parts like barrel and gas cylinder are repro too, and no idea if they bothered to try to get even repro keystones or type 1 rod let alone real ones ...
If you want to make one yourself, there are lots of the little numbered parts still around and with patience you might actually be surprised at what you can put together in a relatively short time. Many guys have built up early recievers with as many early parts as they can (or some era thereafter).
Here is my gastrap resto :lol:. When I started out I tripped over a few really early parts and it kind of snowballed from there. It took me about a year to acquire this little pile (back when it wasn't nearly as pricey as it is now), but after this point it starts to get really difficult and much more pricey.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif
I haven't really tried to go beyond this though as there are more enjoyable ways to spend your had earned money and time, like ... :bash:
Do you have any more specifica questions?
There were some reproduction barrel/cylinder combos that were made with the intention of actually being shot. They were not inexpensive (like 2500.00) and I don't think there were that many made, but as they were meant to be shootable, it was kind of a neat way to sort of have your cake and eat it too ...
One guy shot one at Perry in an IHC reciever ... :D
Oprod looks neat - modified but neat ... Does not appear to be too much else of a gastgrap era there, though.
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http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=147799266
Bodyman
I appreciate your feedback! Do you think this is one of the rifle reproductions you refer to?
Thanks
Greg
That would be my guess but I have no idea how they were marked. See if the seller can give you any more, or if we get lucky someone else around here may have an idea.
The first of the repro gas trap gas cylinders were sold with a caution that they were not made to be fired. I have no idea how you tell them apart.
Repro Gas Trap Parts
Before the Garand Guy, repro gas trap cylinders were made in northern Illinois, Calif and either KY or Tenn. Some even had the drawing numbers.
There could be other sources of limited manufacture too.
I have new information. I think this rifle was built with one of the dozen or so Gas Trap barrel & gas system assemblies made by Gene Barnett/S&Z Machine.Please see pictures and the attached article
Fulton Armory: The Gas Trap Gallery!
I'm not sure what the purpose is for the questions regarding the source. The early parts are fake, does it matter who made them?Quote:
Originally Posted by gfguns
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Originally Posted by Ramboueille
I have the rifle listed for sale and I am trying to be accurate with my description. Are you saying all reproduction parts are created equal?
Real gastrap parts are very expensive because they are very, VERY rare. There have been many sources of reproduced parts over the years - some above board and some meant to intentionally screw people. Most of the guys interested in such rifles have spent immeasurable amounts of time studying both the real and the many reproduced versions of the various parts in an effort to actually tell the difference. For a real purist (and Dave is perhaps the farthest down that road that I know) a reporduction part can be and is, pretty much worthless - it isn't original and that is that.
With regard to these specifically, they appear to be marked as the parts made by Gene Barnette and if so they were made to be used. Scott Duff sold most of the dozen or so that were made (and I think they were 2500.00 a copy back 10 or 12 years ago). It was Walt Kuleck had the IHC at Perry that is referenced at the Fulton link (actually I think that was Walt shooting it in one of the pictures).
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Bodyman
I do understand purist, in fact I am one when it comes to my collection (my wife has a different name for it). There is no room in my safe for an incorrect firearm. As I mentioned I am doing a favor for a friend listing it for sale and I needed to get educated which I have done with help from you and others. You have explained it very well and I appreciate your help. The fact that a reputable and respected individual made these and made so few definitely makes it more interesting than a fake which is made to purposely mislead or deceive. Thanks again.
Greg
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Originally Posted by gfguns
Greg,Quote:
Originally Posted by gfguns
Now it's clear what you wish to determine.
It's alleged that Barnett's short production run were and still are the best quality made. However, if you sell it make sure your liability insurance is up to date regardless.
Thanks Ramboueille
I appreciate the information. I now feel confident I have an accurate description that will hopefully create some interest.
Regards
Greg
Yes, actually it does. In this case the rifle is shootable, as opposed to all the other copies out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramboueille
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Originally Posted by Bodyman
If you are not planning to do anything with that pile I would like to buy your stock ferrule and long butt plate screw. :D I guess I like :bash:
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Originally Posted by Ramboueille
Why would someone need liability insurance - if it is an as is sale?
If you do need it then you would need it forever for every buyer down the line?
Mark,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
If it fires and explodes, which isn't likely with Barnett's items, "as is" does not hold water in a civil suit, not now, not ever.
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Originally Posted by Ramboueille
If that is the case then it is a very undesirable item as every previous owner has shared responsibility.
Now this may not be the best source but here is a definition of "AS IS"
A term used to describe a sales transaction in which the seller offers goods in their present, existing condition to prospective buyers.
The term as is gives notice to buyers that they are taking a risk on the quality of the goods. The buyer is free to inspect the goods before purchase; but if any hidden defects are discovered after purchase, the buyer has no recourse against the seller. Any implied or express warranties that usually accompany goods for sale are excluded in an "as is" sale.
Contract law and the Uniform Commercial Code regulate "as is" sales.
as is adj. description of a condition in a sales contract in which the buyer agrees to take the property (e.g. house, horse, auto, or appliance) without the right to complain if it is faulty. However, the buyer must have had the right to reasonable inspection, so that he/she has a chance to find any obvious deficiency.
The main source of TheFreeDictionary's legal dictionary is West's Encyclopedia of American Law, Edition 2.
comments?
Mark,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
Selling equipment "as-is" often provides an implied warranty of merchantability, a promise that the equipment can be used as expected given its type. Most states will allow businesses to disclaim implied warranties, including a written disclaimer with the sale. The customer should sign the form to acknowledge the disclaimer. The bill of sale needs to be specifically worded to include aftermarket installed items with the possible safety caveats.
The problem is it will cost you five figures to find out whether you have recourse or not. I understand what you are stating and our seller seems to be sincere in the rifle's sale, and he more than likely knows all the pit-falls involved in selling altered or modified firearms.
Did you guys say something? Oh well,...
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