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Hello all:
Has anyone ever come across the blue prints for the receiver of the Bren gun? The only one I've seen is a partial posted on weeponear.net.
The reason I ask is the Americans have come up with a nifty semi auto Bren, which except for the fact they re-weld the old cut up receiver, should be legal up here in Canada.
Cheers
Mark
Ps I have full access to machine shop and a CNC.
There are several internal changes to the semi-auto BREN, none of which are improvements, but are required for firing from the closed bolt position. Don't know if the fellow who ended up building them in Franklin, Ga would be free w/ his prints, but it might be worth a try. I suspect he'd SELL them...
speak to BDL in SC. He knows of a bloke doing them in sensible 7.62mm cal if I remember correctly. I sent him a load of the conversion detail. But even with a hangar full of machinery, it's a tough job getting it past the BATF
You wouldn't believe how much the gas port in the barrel and regulator are opened up!
Thanks guys. I have all the information I need re the semi modifications.
The problem is that they (the Americans) re-weld up an old receiver. Up here in Canada we are not legally allowed to do that. In order to have a legal semi only bren, we need to machine a COMPLETELY NEW receiver. As I have access to a CNC machine shop, I believe I can do that.
I have a CAD model (Solid Works) of an Mk II receiver I’ve drawn up based on measurements I’ve taken from a cut up receiver. However my model has two flaws. First actual engineering blue prints used for production will also have tolerances to the measurements. Second as my measurements are taken from a cut up receiver, I can only guess how much material removed during the cutting process.
I have a MkII Bren in 8x57. If it's any helpsI can measure it up for you though I don't have the tools for real precision measurements.
I can measure a semi MkI for lengths and such if you can tell me what areas you need measured.
LOL - I have the same problem. I have a personal machine shop capable of producing a receiver, but only if I had good drawings.
There out there but they are really damned hard to find.
Here are a couple that I found on other sites that may help a small bit.
Dan
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ifiedJPG-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...gram20sm-1.jpg
It's going to be one hell of a project.......and a huge amount of swarf ! :)
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../11/body-1.jpg
ATB Kevin
The billet from which the receiver was machined weighed somewhat more than the complete finished Bren.
A Mk. II would be a bit less of an ordeal than a Mk. I.
Kevin G: Thank you VERY much for your section of the blueprint. Can I ask where you found what you posted? That and this side view, which I found on the Weapons Guild web is what I've found so far. Hopefully I'll be able to find the rest.
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Hi Mark,I found them on my computer :D
Here's another bit for you.:)
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...11/body2-1.jpg
Don't suppose you know where there are any Bren blank firing magazine adaptors,bipod snow shoes or winter trigger kits ?
ATB Kevin
That's the Mk3 end elevation isn't it KevG...., that fits nicely with the original drawing you put up.
BFA magazines. Do you mean the mags adapted by Canada to take the short nose crimped blank. I know someone who made a few for the film industry who wanted to use these shortie blanks instead of the cheaper (?) long nose blanks. It's a doddle.............
Yes Peter the MK3:thup:
Yes as well to the Canadian blank firing magazine adaptors,again I have a copy of the drawings to make them but crave an original......sad git that I am :help:
ATB Kevin
Dies anyone have similar drawings for the Barrel. I'd like to build a dummy for my Deact MK1. (To go in the holdall.)
The problem in Canada (legally) is that a reworked (bren) receiver is considered a converted auto (prohibited), which if you do not already have a license for a prohibited weapon, you can never have one. The answer as you said is to make a brand new semi-auto receiver from scratch. If accepted as legal, it would not even be registered as a bren, but as perhaps a markdev? It would in all liklihood be considered non-restricted, since it is a brand new weapon, and is not on the list of restricted weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkDevCanada
I own a semi-auto MG34, but on the registration certificate, it is called a TNW, the company that made the semi-auto only receiver. It is not even restricted, and the restriction on magazine capacity doesn't apply to belts. It is always a crowd pleaser at the range.
But a bren would be cool!
I think I'd be prepared to give a nice cooooool crate of beer to the first person who remanufactured a new-build lightened Mk3 Bren receiver body. Make that TWO crates to the bloke who makes an early double dovetail Mk1.
There's an offeryou can't refuse! Get milling chaps..................
The adapters used to be available from collectors source. I think I have 3. I'll have a look when I get home at Christmas. I might be persuaded to part with one for the right kind of trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev G
Stencollector please be aware I cannot guarantee my kidneys 100% !
But would be very pleased to hear from you :super:
ATB Kevin
Beerhunter, you could easily back engineer any mark of barrel using a deact as a sample. The stainless sleeve should be available pretty easily. Locktite it on and bobs your uncle...... a replica
I guess I could. I've even thought of turning a dummy in wood but fitting a genuine carrying handle. (Because I reckon that would take as much time as the barrel.) BTW does know of a know of a source of carrying handles that aren't silly money. Why on earth do people buy carrying handles? (Apart from me that is.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
The fundamental problem with the Second Barrel for deacted Brens is that there is no 'official' standard for second barrels and as they are pressure bearing part one appears to hit the prohibition of Section Five.
What is really needed is for some one to deact a barrel that couldn't be reactivated in a month of Sundays and then let the authorities prove that it is still a 'component part' of a Prohibited Weapon.
Apart from the Spare Parts Tin (Where on earth did they all go?), the Second Barrel is the only thing missing from my Holdall.
Beerhunter are you after the complete carry handle and sleeve assy ?
The 'deac' barrel scenario is to get them to a point that when submitted to a Proof House they are not 'fit to view' and are classed no more as a barrel but as scrap. Not sure that you could get a deac cert on a barrel but as a lump of scrap has been done.
Re - spare parts tins........I like to think a large portion of them are in my Bren battalion spare parts boxes ;)
ATB Kevin
You could just simply deactivate another barrel to exactly the same as that already on your current deactivated Bren (sorry to bore you non British dewat owners.....). After all, the powers that be have already decreed once that such a barrel is now not a firearm and not capable of discharging a shot, bullet .....blah blah and so on. So what makes the SECOND suitably deactivated barrel any different? In my opinion, that any Court would have to take notice of, that too is incapable fitting into the criteria of a component part.
Just my opinion................
Peter, Just came accross this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
It is in the Home Office guidelines, that a Barrel will REMAIN a Barrel if it not affixed to the Gun itself.
If you read the DEACT spec for a Bren. The barrel MUST be pinned or welded to the reciever. There is NO provision in the F/Arms Act for a Barel on it's own.I have argued the point with the Proofmaster in London in the past. I offered to mill a slot ALL the way up the Barrel from muzle to chamber end right through. AND weld a rod in! NO WAY would he pass one! My argument was that they had passed spare Flak 38 37mm AA Barrels that came as a pair in a transit tin. His responese was: 'We have acted within the spirit of the act. You cant put one of those Barrels under your coat'. (Go Figure!) Why would a 'Criminal Type' want to put a Deact barrel under HIS coat. When a DEACT handgun could be done a lot easier??? They will NOT move on this stance. The other way round this I have observed is cast Alliminium variants. & solid cast steel variants. They never were/ could be F/Arm componants.
I have some steel bar cut to size (Been in the Wksp for 4 years) awaiting turning to profile & fitting flash hiders & carrying handle assemblies. Gas blocks & plugs will be De-acted (Pressure bearing, but legal if deactivated) I intend to bore muzzle & chamber about two inches & press fit steel ball bearings in to prevent drilling through. Also, interupted threads will be machined , BUT, will be PARALELL and NOT slightly sloped back. this will prevent insersion & closure of the Barrel nut. I hope that this will suffice for Re-Enactors for display purposes. It will be a lot of work, but the standards of living history Re-Enactors is high!
Mike.
This all comes down to that phrase, 'definate defence to prosecution', obviously the proof master wont put his signiture to somthing he's legaly unsure of. As mentioned earlier, it would need some one to go to court and set a precedent (Even then its not guaranteed), and then if they were to win, it could be done. I believe this is similar to how deacts came around in the first place.
What you need tankie is an expert witness who has spent a life time with Brens, has the paperwork to prove it, a graduate engineer to boot, who has inspected your replica and will say to whoever asks, that it is JUST that, and is incapable of discharging etc etc etc............ and so on.
After all, it isn't only the proof master who can say that somthing isn't a firearm or and so it goes on. Just a thought............
tankie , Bren barrels were 'done' at the London proof house about 7 years ago as per your spec with an 8mm slot milled up the length of the barrel.The gas regs were pinned and welded in situ.
They are not 'deac barrels' though, but have been deemed as "scrap-not suitable for repair" As they have been classified as scrap by the proofhouse I would suggest this is the way to go rather than to get them to class them as deactivated.
ATB Kevin
Hi Kev, Yes, I know ALL about those Barrels (And they also pased some MG 34 & 42 Barrels ) I mentioned this & the reply was: 'Yes, we did pass SOME of these, you are correct. BUT, we will NOT pass any more.' Thier argument was as I have mentioned previously. They are componant presure bearing parts. IE. Spec says MUST be pinned, or welded to the reciever. END of! There is NO provision in the Act for Spare SEPPERATE Barrels. I agree with your logic on barrels clasified as scrap. HOWEVER, the Police will not. It is a Firearm Componant as far as they will go under Homeoffice Guidelines, which the Police follow. It is sad how this is interpreted, as a LOT of collectors require a spare Tube for static displays Etc. Also the mention of a Case precedent IF you won it on submitting barrel to Court to get it classified as a Non Componant part is of worthy mention. However: if you lose the case, It is five years for a Firearm offence at Her Majestys Pleasure! (Actually, you would do Two & a Half if you kept your nose clean!) Would YOU want to be the one to put this to the test & risk five years of your liberty?? (AND the Court costs!) I have found from expirience that most county Police Forces differ wildly in thier Interpretation from the guidelines! What is calssified as OK in one county, is NOT ok in another! What happened to everyone reading from the same sheet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev G
Interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by tankhunter
Does that mean if I take the deactivated bolt out of one of my Brens, the bolt technically becomes a firearm component whilst it is not inside the gun?
After all, like a deactivated barrel it's still a 'pressure bearing part' even if it's inoperable.
Mark
To be honest i think its all rubish! What the proofhouse have stated by saying 'Yes, we did pass SOME of these, you are correct. BUT, we will NOT pass any more.' is that they broke the law as they see it. I wonder what the outcome of any court case would be in respect of that!
I'm not sure that you can get banged up for a certified lump of scrap which has the proof masters signature attached to it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tankhunter
What about people with early spec deac Brens that you can remove the barrel ......do the police regard these as a component pressure bearing part ?
Both items submitted at a sanctioned proof house and both bare the proof masters signature.
Do you think the CPS would let it get anywhere near court ?
.......come to think of it they probably would under some health and safety issue ! :)
ATB Kevin
Hi Kevin, Well....When I left the Regular Army I joined The Metropolitan Police. I can assure you, that If they THINK they can get a conviction, Then they WILL press for it! PARTICULARLY if it is a Firearms Issue. It is a contencious & sensitive subject. The phrase used when I was in was: "We'll give it a go"! You see, they are using Public Money when Prossecuting, they dont care if they lose, because it's not comming out of thier Pocket! Where as you or I, have to pay for a Lawyer & the Extortionate costs involved in Defence! I can Assure you of this, I, Most certainly would not like to be the subject of a test case! I think we are all agreed about Barrels on a common sense collectors point of view. But ANY Governmant Department does' NOT seem to function on Common sense!!! :bash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev G
After a Two year stint in the Met, with MANY other reasons & failure on my part to fit into a culture that I did not agree with. I resigned & went into the Small arms Defense Manufacturing Sector!
Mike
A Small, But Important point that I dont think your aware of, is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brit plumber
The Proof house is EXEMPT from the Firearms Act!!!!
They can do pretty much anything they want to! (& Have!) But they are the First point of contact for advice & guidance from the Government & HomeOffice. They do try to comply with any recomendations from the Homeffice & are responsible for any 'Tightening up' of legislation. That the H/O Request, & wish to introduce. 'Policy' is a Big word in the H/O, but Policy is not Law! But YOU try & fight against it & see what happens!! :bash:
Mike :(
No, But if you have a spare one, then you are on thin Ice! They Homeoffice guidelines were always 'The Whole Weapon' when it's Deactivated. Any spare parts were clasified as Componant parts there of. & subject to F'Arms Act control. The profilleration of Gunners Kits, & section spares as a whole fooded the market & were & still are freely available. To this end, it caused major confusion & an extra huge load on the Police to enforce the Act upon undeserving & unsuspecting Collectors. They reclassified the Componat Parts issue to 'Pressure Bearing Componants' to narrow the field down to a sensible size to enforce. This encompasses Barrels, Obviously. We argee that when a Barrel is deactivated, that is it, it' irreversibel if done correctly. BUT, I Reitterarte. 'There is NO provision in the F/Arms Act for a spare Deactivated Barrel.' 'It HAS to be Pinned or Welde to the Reciever'. There Is NO mention of any other method of Owning a Deactivated Barrel in the Act. BUT, the Defense as far as Im concerned IS. You may legally own componant parts IF, they have been deactivated. Yes this IS contradictory, But it's what I have seen in the guidelines. So, If you own a deact Barrel, then as per there statemant, 'You may own Parts if ther are Deact' But the guide line ALSO state it WILL remain a Section 5 Prohibited Componant of NOT fitted to the Weapon & Permantly affixed. CONFUSED? Yep, So am I! Go Figure! :banghead:Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
No, But if you have a spare one, then you are on thin Ice! They Homeoffice guidelines were always 'The Whole Weapon' when it's Deactivated. Any spare parts were clasified as Componant parts there of. & subject to F'Arms Act control. The profilleration of Gunners Kits, & section spares as a whole flooded the market & were & still are freely available. To this end, it caused major confusion & an extra huge load on the Police to enforce the Act upon undeserving & unsuspecting Collectors. They reclassified the Componant Parts issue to 'Pressure Bearing Componants' to narrow the field down to a sensible size to enforce. This encompasses Barrels, Obviously. We argee that when a Barrel is deactivated, that is it, it' irreversibel if done correctly. BUT, I Reitterarte. 'There is NO provision in the F/Arms Act for a spare Deactivated Barrel.' 'It HAS to be Pinned or Welded to the Reciever'. There Is NO mention of any other method of Owning a Deactivated Barrel in the Act. BUT, the Defense as far as Im concerned IS. You may legally own componant parts IF, they have been deactivated. Yes this IS contradictory, But it's what I have seen in the guidelines. So, If you own a deact Barrel, then as per thier statement, 'You may own Parts if they are Deact' But the guide lines ALSO state it WILL remain a Section 5 Prohibited Componant if NOT fitted to the Weapon & Permanantly Affixed. CONFUSED? Yep, So am I! Go Figure! :banghead:Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
It's going on a bit but the PROBLEM (and I have acted as an expert witness for three or four unfortunates so far, and ALL have been acquitted) is that once they're questioned/pressured, they sing like little birdies......... And in doing so, walk straight into the being guilty.
The best thing is to say NOTHING. Then when ........ anyway........., an ambush defence is always a winner, especially when you can cite examples of sheer foolishness relating to your case against lawful/legal examples. And the judiciary don't like the prosecutors making a mockery of the law and even more so, don't like them appear to be abusing the letter or spirit of the law.
If......... I won't go on. But the difference between democratic law and the rest is that in a democracy, the law simply tells you what you CANNOT do, the others, tell you what you CAN do
Going by specimens I own, there seems to be a bit of an element of 'make it up as you go along'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tankhunter
For example, my Lithgow MkI(m) Bren was deactivated in 1997: the flash hider has been permanently pinned to the Mk2 barrel and has a deactivation stamp. The gun also came with a deactivated magazine.
However, my Enfield MkI was deactivated in 2007: the flash hider isn't permanently pinned to the Mk1 barrel and it came with a 'live' magazine.
Just to muddy things further, I've just checked the published 1995 revised deactivation specifications and it states that a Bren must have a deactivated magazine, but it says nothing about the flash hider:
http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/...CF08688FAD95C4
Mark
Funny you mention that the flash eliminator was welded on Peregrine because that's one of the cases that I was an expert witness in. I won't go into the why's and wherefores but put simply, someone took a flash eliminator OFF his deact L1A1 in order to display his L1A1 bayonet collection
The Police decreed in their own logicless/clueless way that this flash eliminator was now a firearm, as defined in law, and decided to prosecute
He argued that it was HIS deact and as such, he was free to do whatever he liked with it. And furthermore, where did the LAW (not guidelines....) say.... and on and on it went........
Case thrown out at an early stage, spec changed.........
One could argue that just who decides to change a 'guideline' or 'specification' that could mean at the stroke of a pen, someone is liable to 5 years in the can...........? It's mind boggling isn't it
Boggling indeed. Just what sort of crime do they think someone is going to commit with an old Bren or SLR flash-hider? 'Old Lady Brutally Mugged With Gun Flash-Hider' is certainly a headline I've yet to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Mark
The merciless Mugger may well want to go to all the trouble of paying for an SLR, then removing the F/Eliminator & Hieniously poke her in the eye with it! :yikes: ( I wouldnt be suprised if that would have been a Police logical response!) :banghead:Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
This UK outfit does repro Mk2 Bren barrels which include original flash-hiders:
Toggle rope, reenactment, Piat, Smatchet, hairbrush grenade,
Would the Home Office approve?
Mark
Well, IM not telling them what he is selling!.......;)
There is I belive a way round flash hiders. You bore out the centre hole so it is TOO big to fit a Real Barrel. It then will ONLY fit a replica 'Barrel' that has a muzzle diameter to fit it!
I have heard this story from a chap I know of making replica L7 GPMGs. He has to machine out the original mounting threads on flash hiders & recut a bigger thread to fit his REPLICA barrel.
Crazy I know, but it DOES get around the guidelines LAWFULLY!
It sounds a bit like the 'thing used to diminish the noise or flash' nonsense that's sooooooooo often quoted. Fit a readily available across the counter sound moderator to a rifle and it's unlawful (with exceptions of course....) but fit the same to your .22" air gun or shotgun and it's perfectly lawful. The law of the bleedin obvious would say that same must apply to a 'thing to dimish flash' Fitted to a No5 or an L1A1 and it's unlawful but to something that's not a firearm, such as a deact, then by definition, it must be legal.
The same MUST apply to a deact or replica barrel. If it didn't, they wouldn't be selling them fitted to deacts.
The flash hider on my D/A SLR is welded on to the D/A barrel. A "friend" had a sitution where by he wanted a flash hider fitted to a D/A BAR. To be legal, a section 5 gun dealer had to screw on and fit the flash hider to the D/a Bar.
My .22 Air Arms Pro Sport has a Walther Lohar barrel fitted as standard and I don't need a licence.
Those that sit in power over us in the UK. Should realise it's the illegal hand guns and £25 AK47s that cause the crime and not the militaria collectors.
Presumably some bright spark at the Home Office decided that flash hiders were - like removable grenade launcher attachments - technically a removable pressure bearing component and so therefore they had to be deactivated in some way. I assume this was decided when the deact specifications were tightened up in 1995 as my 1991 deactivated MkII Inglis doesn't have the flash-hider permanently pinned on, whereas my other 3 deact Brens were deactivated after 1995 and they have the flash-hiders permanently attached. Ditto the deactivated Mk1 barrel I got last year when WWA briefly had a batch.
I expect it was done for reasons of technical legal loophole avoidance rather than there actually being a real world danger of misuse. Therefore common sense doesn't come into it.
Agreed as above. Most of my D/As are post 1995.
Basicaly, this all stems from the likes of Browning .30" Cal, MG34 & 42's, Etc Etc. IE: the barrels WERE Pinned in place & welded to spec.
HOWEVER, it was discovered that SOME People found that if you unscrewed the UNwelded Flash eleim off one of THESE variants of Deact. IF, you dropped it HARD on the muzzle of the barrel. This would shear the retaining pin & the Barrel would be VERY easily removed form the reciever!
To counter this, the LONDON Proof Master insisted that Flash Elims would be welded/pinned in situ. To prevent thier removal. Now somewhere down the line the words 'Flash Hider MUST be pinned or Welded to the reciever'. Has gotten a little bit confused. & the wording has been 'Generalised & sort of accepted into ALL Deact specs from then on!
At the end of the Day, it is THE Proofmaster who has the last say in anything connected with passing a deact. If he INSISTs on a flash elim being welded on. You Will NOT[/ get it passed unless this is done! It's HIS way, Or NO way. Unfair? yes. But His word is FINAL. HE has the last word, end of!
Reminds me of when I bought the aforementioned MkII Inglis at Beltring in 2009. I was trotting around some of the stalls with it prior to heading back to the car and one of the stall holders had a peer at it. He then cheerfully suggested that if I gave the end of the barrel a good whack with a mallet, I might be able to break the welds and get it off. At which point I made a swift exit...:move eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by tankhunter
Most of the Gunsmiths doing deactivation work. Have their own interpritation on what is required to de activate. Usually it's to chop the pressure parts. Bolt action rifles and machine guns can still dry fire. Assault rifles,SMGs and automatic rifles are now full weld ups.
If you don't wish to D/A via the Proof Master, you must appeal to the Home Secritary ( I don't know any one who has done this).
May I just point out. To hold a D/A gun in the UK it must be both stamped and certified by either the London or Birmingham Proof House. If you bring in a D/A firearm from main land Europe it will still be considered to be "live" until stamped and certified by The Proof House. German Deactivations FAIL the UK Proof House tests.
Kind regards, Lester
Not quite correct. It is possible to have a legal deact that hasn't been Proof House certified. A deactivated weapon is one that has been "rendered incapable of discharging any shot, bullet or other weapon and has consequently ceased to be a firearm within the meaning of the Act". A deact that has been Proof House certified benefits from an automatic presumption that it is legal. But that doesn't preclude the possibility that a non-certified one meets the "rendered incapable..." etc. criteria and is also legal. BUT; you run the risk of having to establish this in courtQuote:
Originally Posted by LesterH
Oooooooooooh Lester, post 50, you are stating things that are incorrect. When one quotes the law, you can be nearly right, but still hopelessly and in this case, dangerously wrong.
Put simply, as detailed to me by my sister, if a 'non firearm' has been certified so via the proof house, then the onus of proof that it IS a firearm rests with the prosecuting authorities.
If an alleged non firearm has not been marked AND/OR certified by the proof house, then the onus of proof regarding its status rests with the POSSESSOR and NOT the owner
The subsequent absence of a certificate or mark has no bearing whatsoever on its status in much the same way that if you've lost the log book or MoT for your car............ It's STILL MoT'd!
Dear Gents, I DID NOT quote the law but the working practice for importation of D/A guns. There is NO Tariff classification number for a D/A firearm. Thus it must be declared as live.The Proof House D/A cert will evidence it is suitably deactivated. That then gives you a pointer to the licence required,prohibition or no need for a licence if it is a D/A.
You will get the gun stopped and possibly seized if paperwork is not in order. Procecution is not automatic, depends on the potential offence.
By posting in #50. I was hoping and intending to avoid the genuine collectors having their precious guns taken away from them through insufficient deactivation work.
I have no intention of telling grandmothers to suck eggs and willingly submit to people who have a greater knowledge than me on certain subjects.
This is the place to discuss our hobbies and interests and it is a very good thing these matters are discussed.
Kind regards, Lester
Now that the cat is out of bag on another site, I can let every one here know that I now have the blueprints for the MKIII recevier. I'm not sure how to post attachments here, but if you email me at MarkDevCanada@yahoo.com I'll email you a copy. Please note these are for non commercial use only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
By the way I'm still looking for blueprints for all the other parts including the MKI & MkII receivers.
Peter, I know its not a finished semi-bren receiver so no cooooool crate of beer yet, but blueprint are the first step, so would that count for "a coool beer ? :)
Ah, the offer is still on, but it says 'remanufactures' a new lightweight Mk3 body. Phone me when you've got the new body up and running Mark and we can sit down to a few beers
To be honest, I think that it'd be easier to just convert a Canadian screw-in gas cylinder type Mk2 than re-make a Mk3. There's no shortage of Mk1 and 2 bodies in the world, certainly in the UK
How about this guys,
I'm in the process of making a BB Bren, powered by an air compressor. I have all the parts planed out, but I am looking for a blueprint for the receiver. I don't have a de-mil receiver to play with. But I do have a BB insert for the barrel.
Any one have a set of prints I can BBoS?