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SSssssh, they said limited number! Jeesh, payday isn't until next Thurs!
Here's the latest from the CMP forum, ask Orest:
Orest, How are the Criterion Krag barrels configured? Is there a front sight base installed, pretty much is my biggest question, or are they 'slick', and need to have one installed? Thanks.....
To which Orest replied:
you have to remove the sight from the take-off barrel. they are 'slick'.
I'm going to interprete that as "without rear sight holes too" but that's ok, saves some indexing headaches. For those of you who get one, remember, they're M4x1mm, and you're not going to find a tap that size. M4x.7mm will be as close as you're going to get I believe. What does that do to "as issued"? I'd think little, it certainly wouldn't give anyone any sort of advantage. But what about 1901 windage pivot screws? And what if I decided to use socket head cap screws instead of slotted?
An 8-24 tap would be about .006" oversize and slightly coarser thread. MSC Industrial Supply has them, but they aren't cheap! They also have a 4mmX0.8
Hey andiarisaka,
Before I retired from the Defense Logistics Agency in 1997, I used to go to Anniston Army Depot on business every now and then, and I met a fellow in the warehouse that managed the issue of weapons for the CMP. If I recall correctly, his name was Orest, and I am wondering if you are talking about the same person? At the time, I assumed that Orest was older than I, and I would think he had also retired long before now. Could we be talking about the same person? I am afraid I can no longer recall his last name, but I do know that my wife and I were able to purchase two of the finestkind M1 Garands throught the CMP, and I think the Orest I knew may have had a hand in our getting the rifles we wanted. One was a Winchester 13, and the other was a Springfield that looked like it was just off the line in the Springfield Armory.
I used to enjoy the time I spent in that warehouse. Talk about a kid in a candy store. Orest would show me crates of unissued weapons including BARs, Thompsons, M3s, and many more. Regular work was just plain work, but duty down at Anniston was always an adventure.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
where in this crazy world are you guys even finding Krags worth re-barreling? I want to eventually get one in as issued condition but all I ever see is beat up swiss cheesed receiver sporters.
Orest is still there Dave. He's top dog now.
Hey Andi,
I thought Orest was top dog when I was last there 12 or 13 years ago. If he wasn't top dog at that time, then whoever was top dog of that warehouse was making sure Orest was out in front of everyone else. I can't imagine he is still working, but that sure would be a fun place to work.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
Krag barrel arrived today. Looks good, but the reciever threads are too big-won't thread on to my reciever, will need some machine work to fit.
Front sight base Ok-may need to trim the Front sight base to fit the dovetail, the repro base I have seems a tad long.
Rear sight screw holes are tapped at 6x32, spacing for rear sight holes look good, contour under rear sight matches.
Muzzle OD diameter is about .008" larger than my original barrel, shouldn't be a big problem. Bore gages between 0 and +1 on my CMP bore gage.
My carbine barrel arrived today also. Front sight cut is a near perfect fit with an original front sight base. Crown is just a little bit flater than an original carbine muzzle. Rear sight holes are smaller than original as John stated. Breech is rounded on the out side edge so it should work on both early and late receivers. Dont have a receiver without a barrel in it so could not test the barrel thread/receiver fit. Extractor slot is cut. Barrel has a lot number (CB1 8-09 3L) stamped at the 6:00 below the rear sight screw holes.
First impression of this barrel is very good.
Chuck
John, the threads should be very tight fitting, one should have to use a wrench to get them all the way into the receiver. There is some variance in receivers too, I have a 98 receiver that I can screw one barrel in by hand, same barrel in a 92 receiver starts but would require a wrench to go the rest of the way. So don't fret too much over too big.
I dropped a factory rd. (180gr) into the chamber-went in all the way to the rim, no resistance. So there might not be any finish reaming to be had. Don't have a 220 gr issue type to try. Will know better once it's threaded on & I can use my headspace gages.
Will crack off a different reciever & try the breach threads on that one. Have noticed the variance between original barrels, but the new one doesn't even start in a '98 reciever.
Chasing the threads deeper/turning the dia. won't be a huge problem, I have a good gunsmith that can fix it, but for some people who get one, it could be a headache.
That's the type of headache I was hoping to avoid by canceling my order! I was told the chamber was rough (short) reamed, doesn't sound like it to me from what you've said. I'm thinking a lot of folks are going to be unhappy.
I pulled the receiver off another '98. That receiver doesn't start either.
Got my verniers out & measured the barrel thread OD & the OD of the step before the threads.
New barrel measures: OD of Thread-.980", OD of step-.938"
Old barrel: OD of thread-.975", OD of step-.933"
So the Diameter is .005" larger than the old barrel. Goes along with the muzzle OD being larger too.
A friend of mine got a Carbine barrel & dropped a 220gr. rd in the chamber, went in to the rim. So not sure what to expect with the chamber untill it's mounted.
A .005 crush fit is going to take "BIG" wrench! John, I've been forwarding your feedback to both the CMP and Criterion, hope you don't mind. Will your friend's barrel start, or has he not removed the old one yet? Steve from Criterion emailed me today and wants me to call him tomorrow, perhaps I can give him some measurements from a couple barrels I have laying around and that will help. Actually the size they've done isn't too far off. I have here a square breech barrel, OD of threads is .979-.980, OD of step .934. It won't go into a 92 receiver without a wrench and maybe a BFH, but it will start. I have a rounded breech barrel here somewhere too, will post measurements once I find it.
Well I can't find that rounded breech barrel, it's here hiding somewhere. But, I did find my Bolt Action Rifles book, and Criterion's barrels match up with the Krag barrel stub drawing in the back, deHass gives an even larger .940 diameter for the step. I'm thinking the step is probably all that is stopping yours from starting John. I also just got back from picking up an Obermeyer barrel that a gunsmith threaded for the Krag for me. Step OD is .934, thread OD is .980. It will start in the 92 receiver and is going to go in hard, but by God it will go in!
I will crack off the '96 reciever that I was intending to put the new barrel on & check that one. My friend hasn't tried his barrel in a reciever yet, but was going to measure it tonight & let me know what he has.
Might take a file & hit the step lightly, maybe a rolled burr is there.
Be interesting to hear what others expierence.
For $66 I can get a reamer to to counter bore the 96 I have that had the mud dauber's nest in it. Seems the best way to go with it. I'm not getting any more responses either here or jouster, so I don't think I have much to offer Criterion in the way of help. I don't know if you've ever done any hand chambering John, but it's a pain in the wrist! I'm chambering a heavy Wilson blank that I'm putting in a Krag receiver. This is obviously going to take awhile, then I have another, then that's the last hand chambering I'll ever do! I may finish the two by spring.