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I have a new magazine from Numrich, because someone borrowed the original magazine and did not return it.
The first round is hard to chamber and the last round (#10) jams when you try to feed it into the chamber. I do not have a charger for this rifle.
I hope I have used the correct terminology for the Lee Enfield.
Does anyone have an idea on how to solve the problem?
John
Hate to say it, but original mags are about the only way to go. Your other recourse is to gently bend the feed lips for best function- its trial and error if you've never done it before. Unfortunately, aftermarket mags often won't retain feedlip geometry as they are thinner gage unhardened material, plus the feed lips themselves may differ from original. Also, springs are often poorly set up and/or tensioned. You get the drift, yes?
Get your old one back or find another original. Sorry, hope I'm wrong!
jmore: I wish I could get the original back. The bloke who borrowed it left it in his jungle carbine when he sold it. When he was asked to return it he said he had returned it. Nevertheless, lesson learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
I will try and adjust the feed lips. The first one chambers roughly, then the next eight are slick as glass, then # ten won't feed at all.
Thanks, John
I didn't think a 2A magazine would fit a No 5? Maybe a faked up one?
Maybe he had a faked up jungle carbine. It used a .308" cartridge that is why he borrowed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pattern14
John
Problem solved. I loaded it down, up, down, up, and it feeds fine. I am assuming that any standard 308 charger clip will work with the Ishy?
John:D
Stupidly enough, I've never really tried different chargers. Might try some when I get home.
Glad you got it running! Hopefully, it'll stay servicable.
Don’t feel bad a lot of people have been gotten by “DuDuD”
JBS, its a 7.62x51! Here its "-----". Besides, in my rifles that have good mags I can charger load 'em with the rims in ANY position, including reversed overlap, and they will still end up in the mag the right way. DUDUD is really not required! Spent a couple hours messing with this myth, and it doesn't hold water! It would, however, keep the troops occupied w/ yet another mindless task.
Maverick, I tried multiple chargers, including 2, 4, and 6 "side protrusion" bump types of various origins- no dramas. Did not try 6.5 Swede ones though, they tend to be wider.
Please help - I am struggling with the concept of DUDUD for rimless cartridges ( ala 7.62 x 51)
I fully understand (and use) DUDUD for 303 rimmed cartridges but surely as the rim on 7.62 is the same diameter as the case its impossible to DUDUD, UDUDU or any other permutation - In the charger clip do they not lie in line, with the body of the cases touching and parallel ?
Quite right!
Sorry gentlemen, my fingers went off before my eyes. I missed the part about 7.62 X 51 nato. Fingers thought it was 303. And yes some rifles don’t care how the loaders are stacked. :o
jmoore:Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
I can only tell you what I found. I loaded the mag the way I normally load any mag with a rimless round. It jams on the last round, period. :cool:
Now, I load the mag with first round all the way to the rear of the mag. Next, round slightly forward. So and so forth till all ten rounds are in the mag. It will then cycle all ten rounds with no problem. :dancingbanana:
Guys I have no experience with the Lee Enfield. I am not trying to start an issue here. This is an Ishapore Rfle, 7.62mm, A2, 1967. These are the markings on the right side of the rifle.
Now I will move on to the next issue of removing cosmoline from the furniture.
Hope this helps.
John
John you did not start an issue. I was not reading right and missed the fact that the rifle was an A2 7.62 sorry.
Lots of rubbing, and very hot water will help with cosmoline removal.
As Alan de Enfield stated the problem has nothing to do with a rimless case BUT he is staggering the rounds in the magazine to make it function correctly……………….
This makes me think the magazine spring is weak or the feed lips are bent wrong or both, a weak spring can cause the rear of the follower to drop in the rear causing misfeeds. If the feed lips are off this might explain the first round jamb.
If he is shooting reloads and the brass has scratches, cuts, dents, pimples, dings these all can cause the round to hang or misfeed.
Also he has not stated what type ammo or bullets are causing the jams, different bullet ogive types, lead tips etc. will cause misfeeds.
It’s very tough being a psychic Enfield repairman without photos. ;)
Most of my jams are heat related caused by laying down excessively long sustained suppressive fire bursts. :rolleyes:
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Mr. Horton:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward Horton
We appreciate your understanding and patience with novices.
We will try and present as much information as possible with all issues. The ammo in question is Winchester 7.62 147 gr. FMJ.
I might even have to get some of your Ishapore High Speed Black Enamel for refurbished Ishy's. As you progress in your psychic abilities I am sure you will find a suitable outlet like "The Medium", "Ghost Whisperer", or "The Lee Enfield Psychic" on our local cable.:wave::madsmile:
Best Wishes,
John "Maverick" Cowan
Try a mag spring from a 303 magazine (original) if you get the chance, or even a coil mag spring from an M14, FAL, G3 or some such. The 20rd springs will be too long at first, but if it solves the last round feed problem, cut it down until you can barely get ten rounds loaded. Otherwise, aside from finding another original mag, you'll just have to improvise the best you can. (Sounds like the USMC supply chain!)
The Numrich/GPC 2A/2A1 mags are the best replacements out there. You should be able to adjust it to feed properly with minimal effort. Original replacements are as rare as rocking horse manure and feeding/ejection was always marginal with those rifles anyhow.
I must admit I bought 2 or 3 kind of cruddy 2A's just to get some spare mags, all but one of which worked flawlessly. Must have been doing something right, I guess...
Brian Dick's right about the feed in 2A's being marginal--IF other than bog standard 7.62x51 NATO spec ammo is used; it needs those pointy bullets rather more than do 303 caliber SMLEs. Ejection is OK if the bolt is worked right smartly, if you're gentle with it the empty tends to fall back into the action.
I forgot that the headspace of many 2A/2A1 rifles is also terribly out of specification so be sure and check them before you shoot them. The one's I've fitted up with new bolt heads for people left here as tight as L39/L42 rifles. I can't afford a law suit.
Just thought I'd let you know that the shrieks of laughter you wild colonials could probably hear from there were the Armourers here having fits of laughter at Ed's belt fed SMLE.
Keep it up Ed. Your Armourer humour is shared with OUR Armourer humour here................