An 86 year old Marine passed away last Summer. He enlisted out of High School and served with the 3rd Marine Division "Amphibious".
( Not in good shape as everything is rusty ). Any help from those who are well read as to what this is?
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An 86 year old Marine passed away last Summer. He enlisted out of High School and served with the 3rd Marine Division "Amphibious".
( Not in good shape as everything is rusty ). Any help from those who are well read as to what this is?
For me it looks like a Arisaka 99-shiki 7.7x58mm SR.
But i am not the expert to this rifles
Regards
Gunner
Here you go .... :)
Well, it was definitely made by Nagoya Arsenal 1923-1945, which is the round circle mark, but I can't quite make out the "series" mark in your pic.
Perhaps if you compare it while holding the rifle against the web page of markings, it will be easier to see.
Markings on Japanese Arisaka Rifles and Bayonets of World War II (click here)
Hope this helps ... :thup:
Regards,
Badger
Your list points me in a direction...
I've attached a jpeg that points to the mark... is this the symbol I should compare to the pdf you sent ?
Yes, that's the mark ... :thup:Quote:
Originally Posted by gunsmith II
I didn't send you a pdf file though, I posted a link to a site that has all the data you should need.
Click on the link and check the section on "series" ...
Regards,
Badger
I believe it to be a very late Last Ditch welded T 99. Your photo shows the MUM, but no stamping of the type, ( T 99 ). The one I have in my collection is as yours. Mine does not have a chrome lined barrel but lots of rifleing. Does yours have a chrome lined barrel ? Thanks for your Post, Bob.
Bob this rifle is mostly rust. No chrome barrel, welded bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loughlin
Badger provided a helpful index and it appears as you stated a very late "last ditch" Type 99.
12 hours ago I was moving boxes in a basement and discovered this rifle in a burlap sack. The Marine who knew the story past last summer and his widow knows little other than his service to our country.
I've started applying oil to the bolt, but have yet to figure out how to remove it. Holding the trigger and pulling back is not working :confused:
Umm, the latch is just to rear of the serial number. Pull the upper forward extention away from the action, whilst removing the bolt rearward...
Nagoya Arsenal 8th series Type 99. 7.7mm Japanese caliber made in late 1944. Nagoya produced series 0-12: 100,000 rifles per series with some serial blocks at random in 4th and 9th series allocated to sub contractors Howa and Izawa. 12th series only a few thousand rifles along when the war ended. Rifles in this configuration are substantially past chrome bore practice due to shortage of materials and simplification of manufacture.
If you decide to take it apart, be sure to use well fitted screw drivers. The metal in the screws is not well hardened, they are staked in place, and will tend to burr. Best to just oil and leave alone. This series has a high survival rate and is fairly common. Bolt is correct type but mismatched. Value is about $200-ish.
Umm, the latch is just to rear of the serial number. Pull the upper forward extention away from the action, whilst removing the bolt rearward... :rolleyes:
It was a little stiff but the oil and some kind direction helped.... :sos:
more the direction than the oil I should say :banghead:
This is the first Japanese rifle I've ever held.
On the other hand WWII Allied force weapons :thup:
The rifling is extreme in this barrel :yikes:
Thank you to all who've replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arisaka99
I knew nothing about this rifle when it was uncovered on Sunday.
The learning curve has been vertical. The weapon will never be fired and join the cabinet with other period arms.
If you decide to shoot it, Hornady mades good reasonably priced ammo. Try Grafs.com . Just remember that the rifle will hit 6-10" high at 100 yds if properly zeroed.
I haven't found the adjustment screw on the rear site yet for windage and elevation..... :D
Nope, you, like the poor soul that this rifle was intended for, just have to hope the armorer had time to actually select the proper front sight (or break out his file) before the next air raid siren went off or he was drafted and rushed off to the latest conflict! (Not one of the Japanese military's better ideas- by war's end skilled labor had been severly depleted in all industries, further crippling the war effort.)
The rifling looks more like a screw thread than a spiral in a rifle barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
As the oil is beginning to ease some of the rust off the surface it appears that this weapon has the appearance of a childs "toy rifle", i.e., loose tolerances, rough bolt action, etc.
I wouldnt shoot it. Factory ammo is way too expensive. And like JMoore said, they were just thrown together at that point in the war! It is a nice conversation piece, though!
There were training rifles built that were not intended for live ammo, but can't tell from the picture if that's one. If it is, its an unusually late trainer. Scrub the bore out well, if there's no rifling then its pointless to attempt shooting anyway. The rifling was a Metford variant w/ no sharp transition between the lands and grooves, -vaguely- similar to Glock pistol rifling, if you've never seen this rifling style before.
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It is a Nagoya 8th series Type 99 from late 1944 as previously stated in this thread. While some early Type 38s were removed from service and marked as school guns, and some Type 30s ("hook safety") were converted to smooth bore trainers, you will not find training rifles with mums, arsenal and series markings. Most trainers are also not serial numbered in the normal manner. As mentioned, rifling is metford style, so edges of lands/grooves more rounded than most folks are used to looking at.
Thanks, Arisaka99. Plumb forgot it was already ID'ed. That's what I get for not reviewing the entire thread.:o:slap:
Learning more about a Nagoya Arsenal 8th series Type 99. 7.7mm Japanese caliber made in late 1944 is interesting as of six days ago I knew zipppppp ! :o
Trying to inspect this (crude) rifle as it soaks up the oil is pealing away years of isolation of being stored on a shelf in a basement of a ranch styled home.
Who knows what adventures it has yet to reveal ?? :cool:
Update for those interested, after a 1 1/2 weeks of applying solvent and a brass brush to the inside of the barrel the Nagoya is starting to show a wee bit of shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunsmith II
Oil has soaked the bolt release and requires 1/2 the effort as before .... now if Santa could brings some magic dust, perhaps the wood will recover to its original beauty. :confused: If there is such a thing as beautiful wood on a Type 99.
Merry Christmas to all. :wave:
I'm afraid not! They do have their own appeal though!
What some solvert and oil can do.
Merry Christmas.
Thanks for rescuing it!
Question for Arisaka 99 please. I have in my collection a trainer that looks like a type 38,the stock is so well matched in collor and fitted that it looks like one piece of wood, smooth bore, no se. numbers anywhere, large boxed cartouche with 6 Jap figures inside, only marking on top of receiver is 3 circles joined together to form what looks like a Mazda Rotery Eng inside. The cartouche I spoke of is on the right side of the stock. My Question, what is this trainer, type 39 ? type 30 ? I have not a camera, or able to borrow one. TIA for any info you can allow me. Bob.
I got in a little late on this thread but you have done a magnificent job of restoring this rifle. You have done the right thing by soaking in oil. I use 0000 steel wool or bronze wool with light oil to scrub the rust off. Do not se-saw the steel wool - rub it longwise. The stock only needs cleaning with warm water and soap. I sometimes put floor paste wax on my old stocks to bring a little shine out and protect the wood. Do not sand or put any varnish or true oil on the wood, it will destroy the value. I would not be afraid to shoot this rifle after you get it clean but each to his own. Thanks for saving a weapon that the old soldier thought enough of to bring home. He put his past in a sack and stored it for you. You have a treasure. riceone.
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